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Offline Dexter

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You opinion about the Zealots in the Great rebelion of 66-70 CE
« on: January 16, 2008, 04:22:46 PM »
I think that only because of them we lost in our rebelion against the Romens, without those crazy blind people we might won the Romens.
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Re: You opinion about the Zealots in the Great rebelion of 66-70 CE
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2008, 10:13:46 PM »
R' Kahane discussed this in one of his speeches.  He said something like originally the Zealots had a valid Torah argument for trying to launch a preemptive war with evil Rome but then they went crazy and starting murdering Jews who didn't agree with them and other crazy things.  I agree with what you said. 
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Re: You opinion about the Zealots in the Great rebelion of 66-70 CE
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2008, 04:45:55 AM »
Zealots were blinded fanatics who hated other Jews more than Romans. That's why Insurection failed half of Jews fought for the Romans becouse they feared zealots more.
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11 They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. Peace, peace, they say, when there is no peace.

12 Are they ashamed of their loathsome conduct? No, they have no shame at all; they do not even know how to blush. So they will fall among the fallen; they will be brought down when they are punished, says the LORD.

13 'I will take away their harvest, declares the LORD. There will be no grapes on the vine. There will be no figs on the tree, and their leaves will wither. What I have given them will be taken from them.'

14 Why are we sitting here? Gather together! Let us flee to the fortified cities and perish there! For the LORD our God has doomed us to perish and given us poisoned water to drink, because we have sinned against him.

15 We hoped for peace but no good has come, for a time of healing but there was only terror.

16 The snorting of the enemy's horses is heard from Dan; at the neighing of their stallions the whole land trembles. They have come to devour the land and everything in it, the city and all who live there.

17 See, I will send venomous snakes among you, vipers that cannot be charmed, and they will bite you, declares the LORD.

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Re: You opinion about the Zealots in the Great rebelion of 66-70 CE
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2008, 11:53:09 AM »
Quote from: Ultra Requete on February 04, 2008, 04:45:55 AM
Zealots were blinded fanatics who hated other Jews more than Romans. That's why Insurection failed half of Jews fought for the Romans becouse they feared zealots more.
No Jews fought for the Romans but only few. The Jews out of Jerusalem after the Zealots under the commend of Yochanan from Gush Chalev took the control under Jerusalem were or killed, enslaved or just were homlesses people who most of their family died and their wemon raped.
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Re: You opinion about the Zealots in the Great rebelion of 66-70 CE
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2008, 12:18:15 PM »
We as a matter of fact lost against the Roman empire too.
that's why i used Ambiorix as my screenname.

He was a tribe leader, that killed a roman legion in a surprise attack, after giving them his oath, of protecting them against the other Gaul tribes.

Ambiorix' tribe was slaughtered to the last child.
Ambiorix himself was the only one who did escape Caesar's revenge.
He is our national hero, for not surrendering to the Romans.

You see , the Jews and the "barbarians" up here in the north of Europe,
 have more in common than we sometimes think!
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Re: You opinion about the Zealots in the Great rebelion of 66-70 CE
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2008, 04:06:37 PM »
Are you talking about the people who committed suicide on Masada?
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Re: You opinion about the Zealots in the Great rebelion of 66-70 CE
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2008, 04:11:26 PM »
Quote from: OdKahaneChai on February 04, 2008, 04:06:37 PM
Are you talking about the people who committed suicide on Masada?
No, I am talking about the Sicricis, Shim'on Bar Giora and Yochanan From Gush Chalev.
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Not a foreign land we took and not with foreign possession but a land that belong to our ancestors that was occupied without a trial. And when we had the opportunity, we took our land back.
-Shimon Maccabee's answer to Antiochus VII Sidetes.

"When fighting monsters, be wary not to become one... When you gaze into the abyss, it also gazes into you."
- Friedrich Nietzsche

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Re: You opinion about the Zealots in the Great rebelion of 66-70 CE
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2008, 04:20:10 PM »
Quote from: Dexter on February 04, 2008, 04:11:26 PM
Quote from: OdKahaneChai on February 04, 2008, 04:06:37 PM
Are you talking about the people who committed suicide on Masada?
No, I am talking about the Sicricis, Shim'on Bar Giora and Yochanan From Gush Chalev.
Oh sorry, I didn't read the topic correctly...

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