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Should Jews Participate In Senior Proms?
Tina Greco - Melbourne:
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--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on January 29, 2008, 09:27:33 PM ---In Israel people just go to dance clubs and dance to horrible loud noise.
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I hate that too Yacov!
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Dance clubs/night clubs are only "sexual" and completely immoral and abominable
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That's not true, FTF. lol Dance clubs/ night clubs don't equal brothels. There are people who actually go to dance clubs JUST TO DANCE. Now if we were talking Strip clubs, I'd agree 100%.
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My brother dated a stripper, she was really a nice person, but never sleep with the clients. Funny thing was she was short and well a little fat, but earnt 1500 a week. :o
Sarah:
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--- Quote from: Sarah on January 29, 2008, 02:49:05 PM ---All our events are girls only, a lot more fun. No smelly boys to ruin it. :)
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That's a positive part of Nazi Islam, the modesty. But it is still a death cult.
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Even at events that aren't just Muslims Yacov. I have Christian cousins, and they're modest too.
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Are they Right Wing Christians? Maybe they would like JTF.
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Not really, just practicing Christians.
Yacov, how about when the person sticks their hand out first would you refuse it if they were attractive?
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My cousin in Israel kissed everyone in the room and asked if it was okay to shake my hand because she knows I don't like people to kiss me and I said it wasn't okay because she's a woman.
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I used to kiss my cousins when i greeted them too, boys but my mum told me it wasn't good so now i just punch them on the shoulder and dash away to escape it.
My non related uncles don't shake my hand either, just nod.
Just Erica:
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--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on January 29, 2008, 09:27:33 PM ---In Israel people just go to dance clubs and dance to horrible loud noise.
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I hate that too Yacov!
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Dance clubs/night clubs are only "sexual" and completely immoral and abominable
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That's not true, FTF. lol Dance clubs/ night clubs don't equal brothels. There are people who actually go to dance clubs JUST TO DANCE. Now if we were talking Strip clubs, I'd agree 100%.
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My brother dated a stripper, she was really a nice person, but never sleep with the clients. Funny thing was she was short and well a little fat, but earnt 1500 a week. :o
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That's a lot of money. :o
Just Erica:
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--- Quote ---Should senior "proms" be banned for Jews?
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In a word, no. There is no obligation for Jews at these proms to dance or dress immodestly, what is the problem with Jews attending social events and having a good time?
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You are not Jewish. Who gave you the authority to decide Jewish Law?
There is nothing wrong with attending social events. The problem is that men and women dancing together is immodest, period. Men aren't even supposed to see women dancing among women because it is immodest to see the form of a woman dancing. That is why the mechitza at a Jewish wedding is not made so you can see through it but the mechitza in a synagogue is made with wholes where the women can look across and see the men praying. The second is fine as long as the men don't stare at the women through the wholes. It's just meant to keep a separation between the genders.
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This is my Gentile point of view, your question by using the word "Should" is implying that you are inviting all points of view, and this is mine. I simply can't believe that dancing is immodest! Is going to watch the ballet forbidden? Social events are, by definition, social, and I would say that it is morally wrong for Jews to be forbidden from mixing with Gentiles on account of this. However, this is coming from my position as a Gentile (as I cannot see why this is immodest) and I respect your views, even though I would disagree with them.
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Jews who marry Gentiles have no place in The World To Come. Jews who do that are traitors. You are NOT going to come in here and say that Jewish beliefs are morally wrong. You are being like FTF and his attack on The Talmud.
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I did not mention marriage at all. The context I said was social mixing. Who are you to stop Jews mixing with Gentiles in a social way. I too am opposed to Jews marrying Gentiles, because I believe Judaism's rules on this should be respected. However I cannot see how male-female dancing is bad at all. And I don't see how dancing with someone of the opposite sex (provided it is not immodest) is bad, even between Jew and Gentile if there is nothing sexual going with it.
Also please can you answer my question on ballet. Is it wrong for Jews to watch ballet, in your opinion, Yacov?
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Dancing with a woman is sexual in Judaism so it should not be done with anyone except between a husband and wife in private.
When I was immodest, I just wanted to dance with women so I could hug them. If you're married, you can always hug your wife so it wouldn't be a big deal to dance with a woman. Anything involving hugging, dancing, or kissing should not be done between a Jew and Gentile of the opposite gender. The most lenient position is that it is okay to shake hands and that is what Chaim holds by and what Rabbi Kahane held by. I am more strict and wouldn't want to shake hands with an attractive women because I am a man and it is immodest. Chaim's sister holds by the more strict position and doesn't shake hands with men at all.
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OK, thanks for clearing that up :)
Out of interest, why is it immodest in Judaism, and why is shaking hands immodest?
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It is immodest because men are attracted to women and when men touch a woman, he can feel a sexual feeling if the woman is attractive. It's even worse because it can lead to more.
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That's not true for everyone, Yacov.
Lisa:
Erica, Yacov and Chaim's response would probably be that you wouldn't want to risk it anyway. (However, Chaim does shake hands with women. Yacov doesn't.)
Here's how I understand the whole issue of touch. If men and women don't go around casually touching each other, then when they are with their spouses, it will be all the more special.
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