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Should they be banned for Jews?

Yes, all male-female interdancing except between a husband and wife in private should be banned.
10 (28.6%)
Yes, "proms" are not Jewish but general male-female interdancing should not be banned.
4 (11.4%)
No.
21 (60%)

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Should Jews Participate In Senior Proms?
« on: January 28, 2008, 06:02:25 PM »
I don't think male-female interdancing is prohibited for Gentiles so this question is strictly for Jews.

I think they should be banned and I'm very grateful I never went to the one my high school had. I was never into that nonsense even when I did believe in male-female interdancing. I knew I'm Jewish and that "proms" are not a Jewish thing.

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Re: Should senior "proms" be banned for Jews?
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2008, 06:03:52 PM »
I don't think male-female interdancing is prohibited for Gentiles so this question is strictly for Jews.

I think they should be banned and I'm very grateful I never went to the one my high school had. I was never into that nonsense even when I did believe in male-female interdancing. I knew I'm Jewish and that "proms" are not a Jewish thing.



Senior proms shoudl be banned only for losers and degenerates.  But everybody else can go.
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Re: Should senior "proms" be banned for Jews?
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2008, 06:05:19 PM »
Don't know or care. They don't have them here in the UK, so I wouldn't know what they're like.

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Re: Should senior "proms" be banned for Jews?
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2008, 06:07:44 PM »
I don't think male-female interdancing is prohibited for Gentiles so this question is strictly for Jews.

I think they should be banned and I'm very grateful I never went to the one my high school had. I was never into that nonsense even when I did believe in male-female interdancing. I knew I'm Jewish and that "proms" are not a Jewish thing.


NO. They shouldn't be banned. And just for the record, Proms aren't a Christian thing either. Its a celebration of a class graduating from High school and becoming young adults!

And interdancing... Yacov, stop picking on celebrations that actually make others happy.

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Re: Should senior "proms" be banned for Jews?
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2008, 06:10:00 PM »
Hey Yacov, can you start a thread that isn't a question about "banning" something?

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Re: Should senior "proms" be banned for Jews?
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2008, 06:14:12 PM »
Didnt go to mine, but it doesnt bother me what the others did ;)

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Re: Should senior "proms" be banned for Jews?
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2008, 06:20:04 PM »
I don't think male-female interdancing is prohibited for Gentiles so this question is strictly for Jews.

I think they should be banned and I'm very grateful I never went to the one my high school had. I was never into that nonsense even when I did believe in male-female interdancing. I knew I'm Jewish and that "proms" are not a Jewish thing.



Senior proms shoudl be banned only for losers and degenerates.  But everybody else can go.
I think party poopers should be banned from attending prom.

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Re: Should senior "proms" be banned for Jews?
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2008, 06:20:35 PM »
We never had them, but who cares, its not a religious thing, of course Jews should go.

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Re: Should senior "proms" be banned for Jews?
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2008, 06:21:10 PM »
I don't think male-female interdancing is prohibited for Gentiles so this question is strictly for Jews.

I think they should be banned and I'm very grateful I never went to the one my high school had. I was never into that nonsense even when I did believe in male-female interdancing. I knew I'm Jewish and that "proms" are not a Jewish thing.


NO. They shouldn't be banned. And just for the record, Proms aren't a Christian thing either. Its a celebration of a class graduating from High school and becoming young adults!

And interdancing... Yacov, stop picking on celebrations that actually make others happy.


Proms might not be Christian but they are Gentile and go against Jewish tradition.


So it's sinful in the Jewish religion to celebrate graduating from High school?

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Re: Should senior "proms" be banned for Jews?
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2008, 06:22:46 PM »
I don't think male-female interdancing is prohibited for Gentiles so this question is strictly for Jews.

I think they should be banned and I'm very grateful I never went to the one my high school had. I was never into that nonsense even when I did believe in male-female interdancing. I knew I'm Jewish and that "proms" are not a Jewish thing.


NO. They shouldn't be banned. And just for the record, Proms aren't a Christian thing either. Its a celebration of a class graduating from High school and becoming young adults!

And interdancing... Yacov, stop picking on celebrations that actually make others happy.


Proms might not be Christian but they are Gentile and go against Jewish tradition.


So it's sinful in the Jewish religion to celebrate graduating from High school?

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Re: Should senior "proms" be banned for Jews?
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2008, 06:23:32 PM »
Didn't go to mine, but it doesn't bother me what the others did ;)


Your future relationship will be blessed for abstaining from that nonsense.

So how come you didn't want to go?



I hated high school really, I never really did any of the after school activities, just couldnt wait to get out ;)
I think its all nonsense too, I rolled my eyes so much at all the silliness of getting excited over a dance that Im surprised they didnt roll right out :D
Proms wont ever likely be banned but I agree that they are silly.

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Re: Should senior "proms" be banned for Jews?
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2008, 06:29:35 PM »
We never had them, but who cares, its not a religious thing, of course Jews should go.


I only went to once "dance" in my lifetime and it was from Hebrew School. I didn't have a good time anyway because all the girls had dates so I had no one to dance with anyway.

They called it a "Confirmation dance" because many self-hating Jews have "Confirmations" when they are 15 so they had it for the 10th Graders at my Hebrew School because it was a "community Hebrew School" and not part of one movement so they had to cater to the Deformed people who have Christian celebrations ("Confirmations") disguised as Jewish celebrations in their Deformed synagogues. I never had one and I only went to the dance because I wasn't modest yet then and I wanted to dance with women for lustful reasons. Now I know it is wrong to want to dance with women other than my wife and I regret attending. Maybe G-d punished me for it by making me not have a good time but actually He was probably blessing me by preventing me from sinning. The dance was in a ballroom at a Deform synagogue. I think they had a disco ball hanging from the ceiling and I didn't see the part of the building where the Deforms pray in.



I have been to many dances, and I enjoy it.

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Re: Should senior "proms" be banned for Jews?
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2008, 06:30:35 PM »
I don't think male-female interdancing is prohibited for Gentiles so this question is strictly for Jews.

I think they should be banned and I'm very grateful I never went to the one my high school had. I was never into that nonsense even when I did believe in male-female interdancing. I knew I'm Jewish and that "proms" are not a Jewish thing.


NO. They shouldn't be banned. And just for the record, Proms aren't a Christian thing either. Its a celebration of a class graduating from High school and becoming young adults!

And interdancing... Yacov, stop picking on celebrations that actually make others happy.


Proms might not be Christian but they are Gentile and go against Jewish tradition.


So it's sinful in the Jewish religion to celebrate graduating from High school?


No but it is sinful to dance with members of the opposite sex unless it is your spouse and in private.

Once again you are showing your "brilliant" affirmative action "logic".


You are the one seeking to ban fun from people's lives. But I'm showing "affirmative action" logic? What does that mean, anyway, Yacov? I attend a Marine Corps ball with my husband every year and enjoy dancing with my friends AND with my husband. I guess I'm going to hell in a handbasket, huh?  ::)

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Re: Should senior "proms" be banned for Jews?
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2008, 06:34:33 PM »
I don't think male-female interdancing is prohibited for Gentiles so this question is strictly for Jews.

I think they should be banned and I'm very grateful I never went to the one my high school had. I was never into that nonsense even when I did believe in male-female interdancing. I knew I'm Jewish and that "proms" are not a Jewish thing.


NO. They shouldn't be banned. And just for the record, Proms aren't a Christian thing either. Its a celebration of a class graduating from High school and becoming young adults!

And interdancing... Yacov, stop picking on celebrations that actually make others happy.


Proms might not be Christian but they are Gentile and go against Jewish tradition.


So it's sinful in the Jewish religion to celebrate graduating from High school?


No but it is sinful to dance with members of the opposite sex unless it is your spouse and in private.

Once again you are showing your "brilliant" affirmative action "logic".


You are the one seeking to ban fun from people's lives. But I'm showing "affirmative action" logic? What does that mean, anyway, Yacov? I attend a Marine Corps ball with my husband every year and enjoy dancing with my friends AND with my husband. I guess I'm going to hell in a handbasket, huh?  ::)

Erica, Yacov specifically said that this doesn't apply to gentiles, a few times.  I can't believe that you just seriously asked that question.  In Yacov's poll, I answered "no" to you being a troll, but I'm starting to think I should have cast my vote the other way...   ;)
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Re: Should senior "proms" be banned for Jews?
« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2008, 06:35:31 PM »
Didn't go to mine, but it doesn't bother me what the others did ;)


Your future relationship will be blessed for abstaining from that nonsense.

So how come you didn't want to go?



I hated high school really, I never really did any of the after school activities, just couldnt wait to get out ;)
I think its all nonsense too, I rolled my eyes so much at all the silliness of getting excited over a dance that Im surprised they didnt roll right out :D
Proms wont ever likely be banned but I agree that they are silly.


You are such a Righteous Gentile. Did you ever go to other school dances?

I also was not into extracurricular activites in high school. But in middle school I was on the baseball team but they hardly ever let me get into the games. So I wasted 2 hours after school every weekday at practice just to watch other people play in games.

I also never dated anyone in school. In middle school I wanted to but in high school I didn't want to. But now I'm glad I never dated anyone in middle school.

Did you ever go on a date in middle school or high school?



Ha ha not many.  My father was a very large and loud former Marine, most boys wouldnt ask me or my sister out because they had to meet and be grilled by him ;)
I had my first real boyfriend my first year of University.

No I didnt do any activities, not involving the school, I went, did my work, got good grades and graduated, I had no desire for anything else there.

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Re: Should senior "proms" be banned for Jews?
« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2008, 06:37:40 PM »
I don't think male-female interdancing is prohibited for Gentiles so this question is strictly for Jews.

I think they should be banned and I'm very grateful I never went to the one my high school had. I was never into that nonsense even when I did believe in male-female interdancing. I knew I'm Jewish and that "proms" are not a Jewish thing.


NO. They shouldn't be banned. And just for the record, Proms aren't a Christian thing either. Its a celebration of a class graduating from High school and becoming young adults!

And interdancing... Yacov, stop picking on celebrations that actually make others happy.


Proms might not be Christian but they are Gentile and go against Jewish tradition.


So it's sinful in the Jewish religion to celebrate graduating from High school?


No but it is sinful to dance with members of the opposite sex unless it is your spouse and in private.

Once again you are showing your "brilliant" affirmative action "logic".


You are the one seeking to ban fun from people's lives. But I'm showing "affirmative action" logic? What does that mean, anyway, Yacov? I attend a Marine Corps ball with my husband every year and enjoy dancing with my friends AND with my husband. I guess I'm going to hell in a handbasket, huh?  ::)


I said this only applies for Jews. But are your friends that you are dancing with men? If so, it is adultery and even Gentiles shouldn't do that.

Affirmative action logic is the inability to comprehend basic things.


That proves that when you say Affirmative action that you are slandering a race. Bravo!

I dance with my female friends and next to other men while my husband is next to me when we do group dances, like the Cha Cha Slide, the Electric slide, or the Cupid Shuffle. It's fun and I love it!

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Re: Should senior "proms" be banned for Jews?
« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2008, 06:38:54 PM »
I don't think male-female interdancing is prohibited for Gentiles so this question is strictly for Jews.

I think they should be banned and I'm very grateful I never went to the one my high school had. I was never into that nonsense even when I did believe in male-female interdancing. I knew I'm Jewish and that "proms" are not a Jewish thing.


NO. They shouldn't be banned. And just for the record, Proms aren't a Christian thing either. Its a celebration of a class graduating from High school and becoming young adults!

And interdancing... Yacov, stop picking on celebrations that actually make others happy.


Proms might not be Christian but they are Gentile and go against Jewish tradition.


So it's sinful in the Jewish religion to celebrate graduating from High school?


No but it is sinful to dance with members of the opposite sex unless it is your spouse and in private.

Once again you are showing your "brilliant" affirmative action "logic".


You are the one seeking to ban fun from people's lives. But I'm showing "affirmative action" logic? What does that mean, anyway, Yacov? I attend a Marine Corps ball with my husband every year and enjoy dancing with my friends AND with my husband. I guess I'm going to hell in a handbasket, huh?  ::)

LOL Hey Erica save me a seat  :::D

As the muzzzies say Hell is full of women  :::D :::D :::D

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Re: Should senior "proms" be banned for Jews?
« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2008, 06:47:32 PM »
I don't think male-female interdancing is prohibited for Gentiles so this question is strictly for Jews.

I think they should be banned and I'm very grateful I never went to the one my high school had. I was never into that nonsense even when I did believe in male-female interdancing. I knew I'm Jewish and that "proms" are not a Jewish thing.


NO. They shouldn't be banned. And just for the record, Proms aren't a Christian thing either. Its a celebration of a class graduating from High school and becoming young adults!

And interdancing... Yacov, stop picking on celebrations that actually make others happy.


Proms might not be Christian but they are Gentile and go against Jewish tradition.


So it's sinful in the Jewish religion to celebrate graduating from High school?


No but it is sinful to dance with members of the opposite sex unless it is your spouse and in private.

Once again you are showing your "brilliant" affirmative action "logic".


You are the one seeking to ban fun from people's lives. But I'm showing "affirmative action" logic? What does that mean, anyway, Yacov? I attend a Marine Corps ball with my husband every year and enjoy dancing with my friends AND with my husband. I guess I'm going to hell in a handbasket, huh?  ::)

LOL Hey Erica save me a seat  :::D

As the muzzzies say Hell is full of women  :::D :::D :::D
I do wonder which part of hell people who enjoy smiling and having a good time (which doesn't require sexual acts, or drinking, Yacov) go to. lol

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Re: Should senior "proms" be banned for Jews?
« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2008, 06:48:45 PM »
I don't think male-female interdancing is prohibited for Gentiles so this question is strictly for Jews.

I think they should be banned and I'm very grateful I never went to the one my high school had. I was never into that nonsense even when I did believe in male-female interdancing. I knew I'm Jewish and that "proms" are not a Jewish thing.


NO. They shouldn't be banned. And just for the record, Proms aren't a Christian thing either. Its a celebration of a class graduating from High school and becoming young adults!

And interdancing... Yacov, stop picking on celebrations that actually make others happy.


Proms might not be Christian but they are Gentile and go against Jewish tradition.


So it's sinful in the Jewish religion to celebrate graduating from High school?


No but it is sinful to dance with members of the opposite sex unless it is your spouse and in private.

Once again you are showing your "brilliant" affirmative action "logic".


You are the one seeking to ban fun from people's lives. But I'm showing "affirmative action" logic? What does that mean, anyway, Yacov? I attend a Marine Corps ball with my husband every year and enjoy dancing with my friends AND with my husband. I guess I'm going to hell in a handbasket, huh?  ::)

LOL Hey Erica save me a seat  :::D

As the muzzzies say Hell is full of women  :::D :::D :::D


But they say Heaven has 72 virgins though.



Yes but Virgins are Girls not women, women are mother, wifes etc.
Theres a huge difference between them.

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Re: Should senior "proms" be banned for Jews?
« Reply #19 on: January 28, 2008, 06:58:20 PM »
I don't think male-female interdancing is prohibited for Gentiles so this question is strictly for Jews.

I think they should be banned and I'm very grateful I never went to the one my high school had. I was never into that nonsense even when I did believe in male-female interdancing. I knew I'm Jewish and that "proms" are not a Jewish thing.


NO. They shouldn't be banned. And just for the record, Proms aren't a Christian thing either. Its a celebration of a class graduating from High school and becoming young adults!

And interdancing... Yacov, stop picking on celebrations that actually make others happy.


Proms might not be Christian but they are Gentile and go against Jewish tradition.


So it's sinful in the Jewish religion to celebrate graduating from High school?


No but it is sinful to dance with members of the opposite sex unless it is your spouse and in private.

Once again you are showing your "brilliant" affirmative action "logic".


You are the one seeking to ban fun from people's lives. But I'm showing "affirmative action" logic? What does that mean, anyway, Yacov? I attend a Marine Corps ball with my husband every year and enjoy dancing with my friends AND with my husband. I guess I'm going to hell in a handbasket, huh?  ::)


I said this only applies for Jews. But are your friends that you are dancing with men? If so, it is adultery and even Gentiles shouldn't do that.

Affirmative action logic is the inability to comprehend basic things.


That proves that when you say Affirmative action that you are slandering a race. Bravo!

I'm not saying that. You out of your own G-d given free will choose the wrong culture and refuse to comprehend when someone explains to you the righteous thing. So you chose to be that way. Why do we have other blacks on JTF that agree with JTF? In fact, one is Jewish and is an excellent Global Moderator.

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Cupid Shuffle


What a pagan dance. You are dancing in order to celebrate the pagan g-d Cupid. Pure idolatry!


GEEZ, Yacov. NO THE CUPID SHUFFLE ISN'T A PEGAN DANCE! No more than Def Leopard is a band whose name is based around the death of a leopard. lol You are ignorant!

This is the Cupid Shuffle.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=iJQKBk4oDr4

It's a dance made by a man whose stage name is "Cupid".
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Re: Should senior "proms" be banned for Jews?
« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2008, 07:07:08 PM »
This is not a simple question as you think.  We are not allowed to impose restrictions on our fellow Jews on things that may be technically allowed Rabbinically and Biblically.  This voilates the Torah prohibition of going to the right of what the Torah teaches.  Although many religious Jews including me and everyone on this forum don't think it is propper to dance with a single girl and every Rabbi will tell you that it is not propper to do so (and the Jews of old didn't do this), if you investigate the matter, this is going beyond the letter of the law to those that adhere to the Rambam and the Ramban and it is really not violating any Rabbinical or Biblical ruling so we can not make it forbidden, we can just discourage it.  This is especially pertinant to Baal Tshuva's and Baal Tshuvah Yeshivas that try to bring close not religious Jews.  These Jews want to have a prom and look forward to it and having one will bring them closer to Judaism since they will like the School and not think the religious are fanatics.
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Re: Should senior "proms" be banned for Jews?
« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2008, 07:53:29 PM »
I don't think male-female interdancing is prohibited for Gentiles so this question is strictly for Jews.

I think they should be banned and I'm very grateful I never went to the one my high school had. I was never into that nonsense even when I did believe in male-female interdancing. I knew I'm Jewish and that "proms" are not a Jewish thing.


NO. They shouldn't be banned. And just for the record, Proms aren't a Christian thing either. Its a celebration of a class graduating from High school and becoming young adults!

And interdancing... Yacov, stop picking on celebrations that actually make others happy.
If it's immodest, I don't care who it makes happy.

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« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2008, 07:55:53 PM »
This is not a simple question as you think.  We are not allowed to impose restrictions on our fellow Jews on things that may be technically allowed Rabbinically and Biblically.  This violates the Torah prohibition of going to the right of what the Torah teaches.  Although many religious Jews including me and everyone on this forum don't think it is propper to dance with a single girl and every Rabbi will tell you that it is not propper to do so (and the Jews of old didn't do this), if you investigate the matter, this is going beyond the letter of the law to those that adhere to the Rambam and the Ramban and it is really not violating any Rabbinical or Biblical ruling so we can not make it forbidden, we can just discourage it.  This is especially pertinant to Baal Tshuva's and Baal Tshuvah Yeshivas that try to bring close not religious Jews.  These Jews want to have a prom and look forward to it and having one will bring them closer to Judaism since they will like the School and not think the religious are fanatics.


But isn't the concept of a "prom" a Gentile concept? Dancing might be permitted but calling it a prom is purely a Gentile concept.


A prom isn't based off of religion at all, Yacov. Here's the definition:


In the United States and Canada a prom, short for promenade, is used to describe a formal dance held at the end of an academic year. In the United Kingdom, the term is more widely understood to be in reference to a season of classical concerts or "proms", which have been held between July and September since 1895, today run by the BBC. The British synonym for the North American event would be Valedictory Ball, Leavers' Ball, Leavers' Dinner or informally Leavers' Do, closer to the Australian description (see below.) In Canada the terms Grad or Formal are most common and the event is usually only held for those in their graduating year of high school or middle school.

While proms at smaller schools may be open to the entire student body, large high schools may hold two proms, a junior prom for those finishing their 11th grade year and a senior prom for those who are finishing their high school or middle school years. The name is derived from the late nineteenth century practice of a promenade ball. The end of year tradition stemmed from the graduation ball tradition.

Boys usually dress in black tie (a dinner jacket and bow tie), sometimes with brightly colored cummerbunds or vests, though any sort of formal wear can be worn. Traditionally, girls gave boys matching boutonnieres to be worn on their tuxedos or waistcoats. Girls traditionally wear formal gowns or dresses adorned with a corsage given to them by their date. Many boys also match the color of their tie to their date's dress. Often, boys and girls will dress according to the theme of the prom - e.g. pastel suits for a Miami Vice-themed prom.


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Re: Should senior "proms" be banned for Jews?
« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2008, 07:56:53 PM »
I don't think male-female interdancing is prohibited for Gentiles so this question is strictly for Jews.

I think they should be banned and I'm very grateful I never went to the one my high school had. I was never into that nonsense even when I did believe in male-female interdancing. I knew I'm Jewish and that "proms" are not a Jewish thing.


NO. They shouldn't be banned. And just for the record, Proms aren't a Christian thing either. Its a celebration of a class graduating from High school and becoming young adults!

And interdancing... Yacov, stop picking on celebrations that actually make others happy.
If it's immodest, I don't care who it makes happy.
How is dressing up in a prom gown and tuxedo immodest?

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Re: Should senior "proms" be banned for Jews?
« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2008, 07:57:54 PM »
I don't think male-female interdancing is prohibited for Gentiles so this question is strictly for Jews.

I think they should be banned and I'm very grateful I never went to the one my high school had. I was never into that nonsense even when I did believe in male-female interdancing. I knew I'm Jewish and that "proms" are not a Jewish thing.


NO. They shouldn't be banned. And just for the record, Proms aren't a Christian thing either. Its a celebration of a class graduating from High school and becoming young adults!

And interdancing... Yacov, stop picking on celebrations that actually make others happy.
If it's immodest, I don't care who it makes happy.

I agree some can be very eye opening.