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Edited Title: Chaim and I agree on this ... as per this weeks Ask JTF.
Lubab:
--- Quote from: newman on February 11, 2008, 02:12:52 AM ---I have to agree with Chaim, too.
Nobody has the right to tell another person who is suffering hideously (with no chance of a cure) to "grin and bear it for G-d's glory".
I'm not proposing anybody be bumped off against their will. But when a lucid patient requests the means to terminate their suffering I think it is their inalienable right.
Same for those who make living wills requesting death in the event of them becoming 'vegetables'. I also know soldiers who have made pacts with their comrades that in the event they are hopelessly maimed (blinded AND crippled etc) that their comrades finish them in the field. This is not uncommon.
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Blaspheme.
I'll bet you even Chaim doesn't agree with this. I think we just have a misunderstanding here.
Lubab:
In essence, Newman, you have no problem with Dr. Kevorkian, right?
newman:
--- Quote from: lubab on February 11, 2008, 02:39:26 AM ---In essence, Newman, you have no problem with Dr. Kevorkian, right?
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I don't..........provided his services are ONLY utilised by sane, rational, lucid patients and not the delerious or unconscious or greedy relatives wishing to give grandpa a shove into the next world to get his estate.
Lubab:
--- Quote from: newman on February 11, 2008, 02:46:38 AM ---
--- Quote from: lubab on February 11, 2008, 02:39:26 AM ---In essence, Newman, you have no problem with Dr. Kevorkian, right?
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I don't..........provided his services are ONLY utilised by sane, rational, lucid patients and not the delerious or unconscious or greedy relatives wishing to give grandpa a shove into the next world to get his estate.
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Well that my friend is murder/suicide in the eyes of the Torah. Please do not go around saying this stuff and calling yourself a Noahide because it's a big violation of the Noahide laws to do this kind of thing. You guys only have seven laws. Don't screw this one up.
Why does everyone always say "who am I to tell someone they can't do this?". It's not about who we are. It's about what G-d says is right.
If I was making this stuff up I'd agree with you. Who am I to tell anyone what to do? But since I'm just repeating what G-d says in the Torah I can tell pretty much anyone what they should do. They might not want to listen, but I can tell them.
Lubab:
This whole conversation has been so enlightening. It shows clearly how good and smart people can become completely immoral when they abandon the Torah view and rely only on their own understanding and emotion.
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