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Edited Title: Chaim and I agree on this ... as per this weeks Ask JTF.
Dr. Dan:
--- Quote from: abdithefaithful on February 11, 2008, 12:57:38 PM ---Let's face it, let's face the facts and GET REAL... Let's get down to the REAL KNITTY GRITTY of this controversial and somewhat heated discussion..... If it wasn't for our trusty leader Chaim none of us would be here enjoying this incredibly wonderful and unique message board... As a matter of fact, many of us members of this board might not even be here and/or alive period if it wasn't for Chaim's selfless and relentless efforts to PROTECT US from our DANGEROUS ENEMIES--- Quite frankly, if it wasn't for Chaim spreading the truth and making it known to our military leaders with his insightful broadcasts expressing the grave danger we all face many of us might not be here now, we might very well all be DEAD! That said, there are indeed some respectable Rabbis who are of the opinion that there are cases in which Chaim's view is justified. One thing I've learned from watching the great Chaim express his opinions on TV over the years is that the great Chaim ALWAYS stands on the side of what is CORRECT and RIGHTEOUS!
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I will add that he is open-minded for righteous things that might be different from his own opinion.
Lubab:
--- Quote from: C.F. on February 11, 2008, 12:24:51 PM ---I'm still waiting for the Biblical/Talmudic evidence...
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Patience is a virtue. I said to give me a day. The day is not nearly over yet.
Sarah:
--- Quote from: Skippy on February 10, 2008, 09:30:33 PM ---
--- Quote from: lubab on February 10, 2008, 09:21:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: Skippy on February 10, 2008, 09:12:34 PM ---
--- Quote from: lubab on February 10, 2008, 08:10:11 PM ---This much is clear in halacha. Killing someone in a vegetative state, is still murder.
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I think leaving someone in pain and suffering is worse than murder.
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G-d makes the rules. Not us.
First you need to accept that.
Later we can talk about why what G-d says here actually makes more sense than what you are saying. But that's for later.
First we need to understand whose world this is.
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Out of respect because you are a Rabbi, I will not comment any more on this.
But my point is this, I don't agree with everything that is written, and when I am finally judged by G-d himself thats when I will justify myself him and only him and he already knows my reasons for my actions.
I live peace with G-d and my beliefs.
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Skippy, you yourself commented on the fact that God sends no burdens or suffering upon us that we cannot bear. The pain and suffering that a person is going through is a test, for themselves and those around them. To kill them, even whilst in a vegetative state, is to cut short the test and it doesn't work like that.
With every suffering comes a relief, if not in this world maybe in the afterlife.
Thats my opinion..... since i'm not a Jew i'm not telling what is right or wrong, just what i think.
White Israelite:
My father who was bipolar/mentally ill committed suicide, he wanted to die for many years. What is Jewish view in a situation like this where a mentally ill person commits suicide?
They found a number of drugs in his system like Lithium, morphine, and a few other drugs.
He was suffering pretty badly, couldn't get a job, and his brain was pretty much fried after shock treatment. He was a danger to our family and we had to leave, I think at that point, he figured he had nothing else to live for and ended it.
Sarah:
--- Quote from: Cohen on February 11, 2008, 03:03:20 PM ---My father who was bipolar/mentally ill committed suicide, he wanted to die for many years. What is Jewish view in a situation like this where a mentally ill person commits suicide?
They found a number of drugs in his system like Lithium, morphine, and a few other drugs.
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I don't know the Jewish view...but i'd just like to comment that a mentally ill person who cannot be identified as fully "sane", is not responsible for his actions, since it isn't his fault because his body and illness overshadows his mind and control.
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