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Edited Title: Chaim and I agree on this ... as per this weeks Ask JTF.
Dr. Dan:
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--- Quote from: lubab on February 10, 2008, 08:10:11 PM ---This much is clear in halacha. Killing someone in a vegetative state, is still murder.
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I think leaving someone in pain and suffering is worse than murder.
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G-d makes the rules. Not us.
First you need to accept that.
Later we can talk about why what G-d says here actually makes more sense than what you are saying. But that's for later.
First we need to understand whose world this is.
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This is of course true. But how we interpret the rules during certain periods of time is what might be different between peoples
newman:
--- Quote from: Dexter on February 11, 2008, 06:54:16 AM ---Satan ? There's no Satan in Judaism ?
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Yes there is. He's just not the christians' 'devil'/evil, rebel angel.
Satan is mentioned in the book of Job.
The 'Satan' of Judaism is an angel and servent of G_d who works under G_d's control. He is tasked with tempting us. He is also G-d's prosecutor. When we stand for judgement it is the Satan who reads our crimes and sins from the book much like the prosecuting attorney in a court.
........at least that's what I've been told.
Lubab:
--- Quote from: newman on February 11, 2008, 03:59:46 AM ---I'm not telling anybody else what to do. I'm just saying what I would do and allowing others the privilage of doing the same.
I'll take my chances when the Satan reads out the charges against me at judgement. If they can make a reasonable case that I should have laid around for two or three more months in hideous suffering then I'll conceed the point.
Besides, don't the rabbis say that G-d isn't responsible for every single bad thing that happens to us? Like when a schvartza mugs and kills a good person it's not G-d killing them but the schvartza using his free will and evil inclinations.
If that's the case, a cancer caused by an irresposible factory owner leaking chemicals into the water supply is not G-d's doing.
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Is this why we do the mitzvos? Only for fear of Divine judgement? You know Rambam says that someone who serves G-d this way is an "Am Haretz" (ignoramous). That is what we tell children so they will be good because they can't appreciate anything more than that.
An adult must develop and learn to do the Mitzvos because they are G-d's will and true and good in their own right...not because we concerned about our own personal welfare.
That's why I'm trying to get you to stop worrying about what Satan will say and stop and make an effort to see what G-d really demands of us. We Jews were always known as people of the book. We don't make this stuff up. When we have a question we look into the book G-d gave us and go get the answer.
Dr. Dan says that interpretations can vary and that's true, but not in this case. Not in a case of a proactive act to directly end the life.
There is no dispute about this. According to all opinions it is murder in the eyes of the Torah.
There is Satan in the torah, but it's not like people think.
Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks:
I'm still waiting for the Biblical/Talmudic evidence...
abdithefaithful:
Let's face it, let's face the facts and GET REAL... Let's get down to the REAL KNITTY GRITTY of this controversial and somewhat heated discussion..... If it wasn't for our trusty leader Chaim none of us would be here enjoying this incredibly wonderful and unique message board... As a matter of fact, many of us members of this board might not even be here and/or alive period if it wasn't for Chaim's selfless and relentless efforts to PROTECT US from our DANGEROUS ENEMIES--- Quite frankly, if it wasn't for Chaim spreading the truth and making it known to our military leaders with his insightful broadcasts expressing the grave danger we all face many of us might not be here now, we might very well all be DEAD! That said, there are indeed some respectable Rabbis who are of the opinion that there are cases in which Chaim's view is justified. One thing I've learned from watching the great Chaim express his opinions on TV over the years is that the great Chaim ALWAYS stands on the side of what is CORRECT and RIGHTEOUS!
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