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Question for Lubab.
Lubab:
--- Quote from: judeanoncapta on February 17, 2008, 05:18:03 PM ---I brought it out of the private message because of the seriousness of idolatry in Judaism.
Lubab can explain it away if he likes but his beleifs about the Rebbe are clealy idolatrous.
Saying that a human being is the Essense of G-d clothed in a body is clearly idolatrous.
Lubab has demonstrated his clear desire to pervert the Torah by his wild interpretation of the Rambam which is as opposite from the simple reading as anything could be.
Lubab, I want you out.
You may think I want to take your place, Lubab but I don't.
I don't care who replaces you, jdl4ever is a very good candidate in my book.
I will not continue to associate with an Elokist, Lubab. Forget it.
I don't want to hear your half-baked explanations for idolatry, I want it off the Torah section of the forum.
--- End quote ---
It's up to Chaim. As I said, I don't care if I am moderator or not. I'm here as long as Chaim wants me here.
But remember. You are not quoting me. You are quoting the Rebbe and I'm just saying I agree with it.
You are calling the Rebbe an idolator, in essence. Are you prepared to do this?
Are you also prepared to call the Chumash idolartry because it says G-d created man in "His image" and He has no image?
I fail to see the difference between one and the other.
Lubab:
Further, your problem is not with me, or even the Rebbe. Your problem is you don't think that G-d can be found in the physical universe.
This is really a problem you have with the Arizal and you'll need to take it up with him.
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
--- Quote from: lubab on February 17, 2008, 06:11:43 PM ---Further, your problem is not with me, or even the Rebbe. Your problem is you don't think that G-d can be found in the physical universe.
This is really a problem you have with the Arizal and you'll need to take it up with him.
--- End quote ---
No their is a clear and big difference between the Kabbalists and students of the Arizal, and what we unfortunatly see within Chabad. One can have respect, and admiration for a great person, and Talmid Chacham. One can look up to another person, no problem, BUT it is definitly assur to give "G-d-like" characterists to a human being no matter how great he or she was. It is also forbidden to idolize a human being, and pray to a human, yes asking G-d for something in the merit and becuase of the merit of a great Tzaddik is one thing, (asking him to be a lawyer so to speak for you), but to actually pray to a dead or any other human being is assur and is kafira.
Listin to the part where I told you to listin to- about what Rabbi Mizrahi brings on this subject this week, quoting the RambaN.
Lubab:
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on February 17, 2008, 06:39:59 PM ---
--- Quote from: lubab on February 17, 2008, 06:11:43 PM ---Further, your problem is not with me, or even the Rebbe. Your problem is you don't think that G-d can be found in the physical universe.
This is really a problem you have with the Arizal and you'll need to take it up with him.
--- End quote ---
No their is a clear and big difference between the Kabbalists and students of the Arizal, and what we unfortunatly see within Chabad. One can have respect, and admiration for a great person, and Talmid Chacham. One can look up to another person, no problem, BUT it is definitly assur to give "G-d-like" characterists to a human being no matter how great he or she was. It is also forbidden to idolize a human being, and pray to a human, yes asking G-d for something in the merit and becuase of the merit of a great Tzaddik is one thing, (asking him to be a lawyer so to speak for you), but to actually pray to a dead or any other human being is assur and is kafira.
Listin to the part where I told you to listin to- about what Rabbi Mizrahi brings on this subject this week, quoting the RambaN.
--- End quote ---
We need to take these issues one at a time as they all demand a lot of explanation. I'm trying to build the foundation from the bottom before we get into that stuff.
The first issue we need to address is whether G-d is in the physical world or not.
We need to understand these analogies and we can move on from there.
judeanoncapta:
--- Quote from: lubab on February 17, 2008, 06:11:43 PM ---Further, your problem is not with me, or even the Rebbe. Your problem is you don't think that G-d can be found in the physical universe.
This is really a problem you have with the Arizal and you'll need to take it up with him.
--- End quote ---
No, you have a problem with the Ari and his idea of tzimtzum which you think is not literal.
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