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Question for Lubab.
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
--- Quote from: MassuhDGoodName on February 17, 2008, 07:56:59 PM ---judeanoncapta: "...I am not out of line..."
Actually, YOU ARE out of line!
Most folks have enough 'walking around' sense not to hang their dirty laundry out in public for the whole world to see!
And, what exactly makes YOU the world's foremost Authority on all spiritual matters?
So far, you've violated the privacy of your own and another member's private messages, and are disrupting the forum by attacking another member (and, I might add, a member and Moderator who happens to be an esteemed scholar of Torah) for points of metaphysical doctrine with which you disagree.
As they say at the barrooms, "If you want to continue with this, take it outside."
An apology and sense of humility are what is necessary and should be forthcoming.
And meanwhile, still, Israel and Jews worldwide are facing great peril.
There is simply no time for such frivolous luxuries as interpersonal attacks.
Such division among us led to the Fall of the 2nd Temple and our Exile from The Land.
--- End quote ---
Its not out of line, Judea is basding himself and his arguments from the Torah, and Torah scolars. Its no mitzva to be humble in this situation. Sometimes "Holy Boldness" is needed.
Lubab:
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on February 17, 2008, 08:12:28 PM ---
--- Quote from: MassuhDGoodName on February 17, 2008, 07:56:59 PM ---judeanoncapta: "...I am not out of line..."
Actually, YOU ARE out of line!
Most folks have enough 'walking around' sense not to hang their dirty laundry out in public for the whole world to see!
And, what exactly makes YOU the world's foremost Authority on all spiritual matters?
So far, you've violated the privacy of your own and another member's private messages, and are disrupting the forum by attacking another member (and, I might add, a member and Moderator who happens to be an esteemed scholar of Torah) for points of metaphysical doctrine with which you disagree.
As they say at the barrooms, "If you want to continue with this, take it outside."
An apology and sense of humility are what is necessary and should be forthcoming.
And meanwhile, still, Israel and Jews worldwide are facing great peril.
There is simply no time for such frivolous luxuries as interpersonal attacks.
Such division among us led to the Fall of the 2nd Temple and our Exile from The Land.
--- End quote ---
Its not out of line, Judea is basding himself and his arguments from the Torah, and Torah scolars. Its no mitzva to be humble in this situation. Sometimes "Holy Boldness" is needed.
--- End quote ---
Look to the Torah Tzvi, for how to handle these situations. This is not being handled properly at all. There has been no chakira no derisha no honest search for what I really believe.
In a word: it is a witchunt and you are the one that is inspiring JNC to continue with this ridiculous crusade.
jdl4ever:
Well as long as you don't think the Rebbe is G-d then I suggest all of you guys stop arguing publically and do it in private instead since this is not going to lead to anything productive. I'm Misnagad so you all know where I stand but I'm not going to join these types of arguments that cause hatred between Jews & where there is no hope of convincing the other side.
q_q_:
I do not think we can really have it both ways..
Condemn him for believing X, and Condemn him for describing or promoting belief in X. Or deny him the right to elaborate.
I think an elaboration of Lulab`s controversial views would be very interesting, but not suitable for the JTF forum..Lest people step in and be misled..
Both judea and lulab have alot to contribute..
Lulab humbly said that all that matters to him is saving jewish and gentiles lives.. And Judea feels it unsuitable for a person with such views to be moderator..
I did not think lulab should be thrown out. He has alot to contribute.
I think a healthy compromise that would let us benefit from the knowledge of Judea, and Lulab too, would be if Lulab was not moderator, but he was allowed to post here, without his posts being screened/delayed before appearing. On the understanding that he does not bring up this Yechi stuff in the JTF forum.
Raulmarrio2000:
What is Yechi? Soory for my ignorance, I am a Gentile and my Hebrew is very poor.
Anyway, I believe you guys are just causing machloket by attacking Lubab. He has never tried to "convert" anyone to Chasiduth. You have just sent him a private question about difficult metaphisical issues in Hebrew, and then brought his answer to the forum in English. I am Italian and we say "traduttore tradittore" (A transalator is a traitor).
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