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jdl4ever:
I can trash others opinons if I hold of a minority opinion. I only need to be quiet if all of Israel accepted something or the Sanhedrin made a ruling and I hold of the other opinion. Only then must I keep my opinion to myself and speak privately about it. If most of Israel holds one way, but there is a minority opinion the other way, then I am permitted to publically argue and debate the Torah logic of the other side.
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judaism does not work by democracy.
The Saadya Gaon, a great sephardi rabbi, rejected reincarnation. He died 942CE. That is over a thousand years closer to sinai than rav mizrachi, or tzvi.
Kabbalism has become very popular throughout the jewish world.. Almost everybody accepts the zohar..
Most ashkenazim accept it, and most sephardim.
I have heard of sephardi scholars that reject it. eg those that follow the RAMBAM very strictly. I have not heard of that many ashkenazim that reject it..
I do not see any evidence of it being accepted throughout the sephardi world but not the ashkenazi world.
The Arizal - a HUGE ashkenazi rabbi, is accepted by almost everybody. So is sephardi, but french educated, RAMBAN.
Again though
judaism does not work by democracy.
And this widesspread kabbalism, was probably not the case prior to the RAMBAM. It may have started a bit after, like, RAMBAN time.
So, keep an open mind. Open to both possibilities.
Lubab:
I think a lot of people misunderstand the nature of machloket, disagreements between Torah scholars.
In many cases the Rambam and Ramban for instance are saying the same thing in different wording and people assume they completely discount the other one's opinion. It's a bit ridiculous.
All of these scholars had tremendous respect for each other's opinons and the differences between them are almost never as great as people make them out to be.
We don't "trash" the opnion of another Torah scholar.
All machlokes in the Talmud derives from a singular Machlokes between Shammai and Hillel. And even in this dispute neither one is really wrong. We pasken like Hillel in the times of Galut and will pasken like Shammai in the times of Moshiach.
It's different perscriptions for different situations.
Now some may wish to differentiate disagreements on issues of fact. However even these issues can be resolved upon further analysis.
In the end it's "Elu VeElu Divrei Elokim Chaim" with legitimate Torah scholars each one's opinon is the word of the living G-d. There is no place for "trashing" another Torah scholar.
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--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on March 03, 2008, 05:15:57 PM ---People who reject gilgulim are infact the vast minority, the vast Majority accept it, and accept the Zohar, thats a fact. All Sefaradim accept it (by all I mean learned Talmedi Hachamim who get it from Tradition), as do the vast majority of Askenazim except maybe a few individual moderndox types (who by the way dont get from tradition but from their personal opinion.
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Me, Dan or Chaim don't care that we are the minority. There is nothing wrong with holding the minority opinion if you think it is correct and that is the Torah truth. R' Kahane Zs'l was the minority opinion in his generation and now more and more people are seeing that he was correct. Judaism is not a popularity contest. It is searching for the Torah truth and abiding by the Torah.
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Okay, but then dont say publicly your opinion, and even more so trash what is accepted by everyone else. I would take the word of Rabbi Shimon Bar Yochai over anyone else's (and thats talking about big Talmedi Hachamim, how much more so..)
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CULT!
this mentality, that oh, this rabbi is a giant and who are you to disagree, how dare you disagreee with him etc.. is dangerous.
But it is fair to say this rabbi is an expert, you are not. And therefore if you want to differ with him, then you could take your concern to an expert rabbi, and see if it is valid.
Often, great rabbis disagree with great rabbis.
The prevailing view in our times where there is this "he is a great gadol" mentality. tends to be "who are we to choose between these 2 giants". At least that approach is more reasonable than "tvis"! The mentality comes from the same world.
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--- Quote from: lubab on March 03, 2008, 09:06:15 PM ---<snip>
In many cases the Rambam and Ramban for instance are saying the same thing in different wording and people assume they completely account the other one's opinion. It's a bit ridiculous.
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ramban was a kabbalist. rambam from his voluminous writings, was not.
people may claim rambam was, or that they say the same thing. Because they cannot bring themselves to admit that they are not following the RAMBAM. Because he is a gadol`s gadol
For example, nowhere in the rambam`s works, is the concept of following the gedolim(or daas torah). Or following your local rabbi. etc. People cannot bring themselves to accept, that their ideas about halacha are not in the rambam.
I have heard hichot mamrim twisted to mean follow the gedolim. The rambam talks about following the sanhedrin. And they fluff the details, and say "well, no sanhedrin, so follow the rabbis" - by that they mean their rabbis.
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