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Would you eat pork when it becomes kosher when The Mashiach comes?
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
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--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on March 03, 2008, 05:15:57 PM ---People who reject gilgulim are infact the vast minority, the vast Majority accept it, and accept the Zohar, thats a fact. All Sefaradim accept it (by all I mean learned Talmedi Hachamim who get it from Tradition), as do the vast majority of Askenazim except maybe a few individual moderndox types (who by the way dont get from tradition but from their personal opinion.
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Me, Dan or Chaim don't care that we are the minority. There is nothing wrong with holding the minority opinion if you think it is correct and that is the Torah truth. R' Kahane Zs'l was the minority opinion in his generation and now more and more people are seeing that he was correct. Judaism is not a popularity contest. It is searching for the Torah truth and abiding by the Torah.
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Okay, but then dont say publicly your opinion, and even more so trash what is accepted by everyone else. I would take the word of Rabbi Shimon Bar Yochai over anyone else's (and thats talking about big Talmedi Hachamim, how much more so..)
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CULT!
this mentality, that oh, this rabbi is a giant and who are you to disagree, how dare you disagreee with him etc.. is dangerous.
But it is fair to say this rabbi is an expert, you are not. And therefore if you want to differ with him, then you could take your concern to an expert rabbi, and see if it is valid.
Often, great rabbis disagree with great rabbis.
The prevailing view in our times where there is this "he is a great gadol" mentality. tends to be "who are we to choose between these 2 giants". At least that approach is more reasonable than "tvis"! The mentality comes from the same world.
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::) Rabbi Shimon Bar Yochai, is farr more smarter then anyone else alive today. He learned with Eliyahu Hanavi- if you are not familiar with Rashby then thats your loss, and shows how much you know.
jdl4ever:
Yeah, but R' Shimon Bar Yochai never wrote the Zohar! If you want to know what Eliyahu Hanavi really said than learn the Sefer Tanah D'vei Eliyahu written from the words of an actual Amorah who learned with Eliyahu Hanavi as stated by the Talmud, and this Sefer actually did exist very early from before the Rambam.
q_q_:
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on March 03, 2008, 09:15:46 PM ---<snip>
::) Rabbi Shimon Bar Yochai, is farr more smarter then anyone else alive today. He learned with Eliyahu Hanavi- if you are not familiar with Rashby then thats your loss, and shows how much you know.
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You show your mentality. It is anti intellectual.
Also,
The idea that Rashbi(rabbi shimon...) learnt from eliyahu hanavi. Can you reference that to the talmud?
Or are you basing yourself on a mystical work again.
Rav Mizrachi also speaks the the janitor`s english , like you. "farr more smarter" is not english. How long have you lived in an english speaking country, and is english your first language? were you born in an english speaking country? Rav mizrach has an excuse. He is clearly israeli.
MassuhDGoodName:
jdlforever: "...menchaned..."
This must be the Jewish version of "Hebronics"...using a common noun as a verbal construct, when no such verb exists in the English language.
In the same was as "he b disrespecting me".
Example: "He's a real mensch. Transmogrifies to "He menchans a gentleman out of any young man."
Lubab:
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--- Quote from: Dr. Dan on February 27, 2008, 09:22:03 PM ---If it is written that the lion (or wolf) is going to lie with the lamb...meaning carnivores will become herbivores, then I highly doubt humans will desire to eat any type of animal in the World to Come.
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Thats a remez (allegorical). + maybe this is talking about the time after Moshiah (which will last until the year 7,000).
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What will happen after the 1,000 years are up?
I also heard that when Moshiach comes, all holidays will be abolished except for Purim and Yom Kippur. Kippurim means "like Purim". But why would people say this if it is a commandment in The Torah that we will have to go to The Temple 3 times a year in The World To Come and that even Righteous Gentile will be required to make the pilgrimage to Jerusalem every Sukkot?
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Re: What will happen when...
We will start over a new world. There are many other worlds we will go through corresponding to the Sefirot. This 7,000 year period is Chesed within Gevurah which is why it appears so difficult (but really has a lot of good inside). The next world I believe will be chesed of chesed and things will be a lot easier. :)
Re: When Moshiach comes..
I agree with Tzvi on this. The holidays will still exist just not in the same way they do now. They will be "batul" nullilfied, because everyday will have the holiness of a holiday but they will still be observed and will remain in existence.
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Aren't we in The Sixth World now? After the 1,000 years, The Seventh World will be a World of Shabbat.
What will happen after The Seventh World?
I have heard that the previous Five World correspond to Pre-Historic times and the previous generations of humans before Adam lived then. Each day of Creation was another one of the 6 Worlds. The current World is The World of The Sixth Day of Creation. This is literally a 6,000 year World counting from Adam but the previous World were a multiple of 6,000 accounting for the billions of years of Science.
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You are talking about the last 1,000 years withing this 7,000 year period. I am talking about the other 7,000 year periods we will have.
The "billions years of sceince" is not to be accepted as a given but taken with a grain of salt because
a) it results from massive extrapolation beyond the observable experiementation that was done
b) does not account for fact that elements might have interacted differently before the big bang.
c) falls apart if you accept the Biblical account of creation which says that G-d made a ready made world e.g. full grown trees not seeds, a full grown man, not a baby which means there already was a certain amount of artificial appearance of age that G-d put into creation which would really mess the scientists experiments up just as if a scientist tested Adam on day 1 they would conclude that he was twenty something but would be totally wrong.
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I don't completely agree with you, but accept your interpretation as a possibility. I believe interpretation of what is written in the Torah about the creation of the universe and life can be left open. Science sometimes shows us how Gd uses His fingers. I do agree that scientific theories should be taken with a grain of salt, but so should primitive interpretations of the creation of life and the universe. As we evolve spiritually and scientifically and hopefully, humanely, we will be able to read and interpret and understand the Hebrew text of the Torah much much better. Religious people need to understand that science is Gd's handywork, and scientists need to understand that there is a higher power bigger than their own miniscual understanding of how everything works.
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The account of creation is hardly "primitive". It may appear so to an untrained eye, but take some time out to learn of the Seder hishtalshelus, the order which G-d used to create the world and you will find a depth and wisdom that I don't think you will find anywhere else.
The scientists and the religious people don't even really disagree. One searches for G-d from the bottom (observable reality) up (faith when we realize there must be something bigger that we don't understand) and the other from the top (faith) down (observable reality when we are able to do that).
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