Nadia Matar: Belgian heroine or agent?

[Mifletzet]

What is Chaim's opinion of Nadia Matar?

In this clip 

she seems to be attempting to defang the resistance to the Hitnatkut.

Is Nadia Matar also a two-timing Shabak agent like that other francophone Rabbi Aviner?!

Or is she just a well-meaning but a bit simple boerinike (= Antwerp peasant girl)?!

[Eliezer Ben Avraham]

Nadia Matar is good. She is right wing and head of Women in Green, a good organization

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

I enjoy her columns on israelnationalnews.com 
Very wise and strong woman.  I hope that that video is not correct in its accusations because it seemed to me Ms. Matar was a fine person leading an important movement. 

And they may have tried something weird at Gush Katif, but maybe they thought it could work.  They certainly didn't do the same at Amona, and Nadia Matar was right there with them.

[Chaim Ben Pesach]

                                                                                                       בס''ד

Nadia Matar and the Women In Green are heroes. They are wonderful Jews.

[Mifletzet]

What then was the motivation of the maker of the clip in calling Nadia a "traitoress"?

Since physically fighting the Israeli police, yassamniks, yamassniks and soldiers would result in broken arms, fractured skulls, jail time, and even death, was Nadia and even Aviner correct in defanging "the young hothead kenayim" who wanted to fight, and thereby sparing them and their families years of hurt and suffering?

50 year old R.Kahane was prepared to fight in Yamit in 1982. Did he get the chance for fisticuffs or stickwork?


1982


2005


If a 73 year old Rabbi Kahane assisted by a 48 year old Chaim had been at Gush Katif in 2005, would they have advised to youths who would be facing certain injury or death al michemes mitzvah and al Kiddush Hashem?

In which case, if one's going the whole hog, resist with firearms, grenades, boiling pitch, and Molotov cocktails, not just buckets of colored water! Give the Yasamniks something to really remember you by, by taking a lot of them with you!

Of course, such a resistance, the day after, with the body count tallied up, will result in a nationwide banning of all rightwing yeshivas and schools and settlements. Indeed, not just rightwing, but probably anyone wearing a kippah will be enough to be cracked down on. But that's how all revolutions...the English, French, American etc begin...with people, many people actually giving their lives and dying!

Although Kahane's last book was "Revolution or Referendum", I can't see anyone prepared to actually give his life, even the best: "The second skin of every Jew is fear !" (Anwar Sadat).

There's no doubt Chaim is brave. But against hordes of unfeeling stick-wielding brutish grey-clad Jewish/Druze/Circassian/Turkish/Negroidal Yassamniks just itching to break his skull, legs and arms, even he might think that this time discretion is the better part of valor!

R.Binyamin Zeev Kahane said that the Har Habayit will only be taken through great deeds of "mesirut nefesh" ie one or more kenayim attempting to seize it, as in the film "Hahesder".

But he emphasized that his followers should not expect such a level of mesirus nefesh from him!

From here we see the heroism of the Hasmoneans. They put their bodies and lives on the line against the Greeks, and Hashem did a miracle for them, and they beat the Greeks.

Would Hashem have done a miracle for us in Gush Katif?

[Ambiorix]

What is Chaim's opinion of Nadia Matar?

In this clip 

she seems to be attempting to defang the resistance to the Hitnatkut.

Is Nadia Matar also a two-timing Shabak agent like that other francophone Rabbi Aviner?!

Or is she just a well-meaning but a bit simple boerinike (= Antwerp peasant girl)?!

nice that you use a Flemish word here, but it should be boerinneke instead of boerinike.

the word boer means farmer, boerin means farmer-wife, and boerinneke is a diminutive form.

Is she an Antwerp convert to Judaism?

[Mifletzet]

She is 100% Jewish Antwerp Ashkenazette, maiden name Nadia Pinkovitch.

[Ambiorix]

She is 100% Jewish Antwerp Ashkenazette, maiden name Nadia Pinkovitch.

Great to hear an Antwerp Askenazi woman defends Israel! May other Antwerp Jews follow in her footsteps!

[Mifletzet]

Nadia must then have meant well.

But the video shows that she's not too smart, in line with Belgian Jewry's reputation of being a bit dim.

And the rest of Antwerp's Jews are even less smart and are making so much gelt in the Koninkrijk that they will never move to Israel voluntarily - which is why Hashem has made Belgium 10% Muslim - so that the Jews are now getting nervous and will have to involuntarily flee as one to Israel when the 80% Jewish Antwerp Diamond Bourse gets blown up by Islamics!

[Ambiorix]

Nadia must then have meant well.

But the video shows that she's not too smart, in line with Belgian Jewry's reputation of being a bit dim.

And the rest of Antwerp's Jews are even less smart and are making so much gelt in the Koninkrijk that they will never move to Israel voluntarily - which is why Hashem has made Belgium 10% Muslim - so that the Jews are now getting nervous and will have to involuntarily flee as one to Israel when the 80% Jewish Antwerp Diamond Bourse gets blown up by Islamics!

Hi Mifletzet.
I see You know our country quite well.
These are your words. I can't say that I regard Antwerp Jews as "stupid",
the Antwerp Diamond business is in a downward spiral, some former diamond businessmen, are now having different shops in Antwerp. 65% of the business is taken over by Indian people.

I have a feeling that you are right about the fact Jews in Europe are getting nervous about muslims.

Do you have any idea of the amount of Bruto national product the diamond business represent in Belgium?

[Eliezer Ben Avraham]

I think it's ridiculous that this is even a post, we shouldn't accuse every right-winger of being a Shabak agent. We obviously remain suspicious until we see that a person has sacrificed, but there is no need to make random accusations

[MassuhDGoodName]

I agree with Chaim Ben Pesach that Nadia and Ruth Matar are wonderful, righteous women, who love the Land of Israel.

I actually feel personally affronted, that such aspersions could be cast against these women.

They have, at great risk to themselves, sacrificed their time and energies for Jewish Nationalism.

Their lives are exemplary of Rabbi Meir Kahane's vision and teachings.

[Mifletzet]

But do we all agree that Nadia was wrong and not too smart in the clip to go around cooling off the youths' fervent fighting ardour to the Hitnatkut?



Understandable - Nadia herself knowing what it means to be jailed and brutalised  - but still wrong?!

If instead of defanging the resistance, people like her had instead gone around firing it up - there would certainly have been a body count.

But Israel would be a different place now - with the memory of Kedoshim - Holy Martyrs of Gaza - to keep us enthused c.f. the Kedoshim of the Maccabees, Massada, and Warsaw Ghetto, whom people, especially religious people, tried to make them not fight...."for the sake of peace"!

Another soft-hearted but schmendrik idiot was Begin, who countermanded the order to return fire from the Altalena: "Jewish brothers do not shoot on Jewish brothers!".

A goodly bodycount of Lieutenant Rabin's leftist vermin on Frishman Beach would have changed history if the Etzel's Altalena fighters had been allowed to fire back!

But as Kahane said: "There will not be a milchemet achim - because they are not our achim!".

In dying defying the Yassam & Yamass Erev Ravniks, those boys would now be in the front rank of Olam Habo.

"From time to time the tree of freedom has to be watered with the blood of patriots...". 

[Muck DeFuslims]

                                                                                                       בס''ד

Nadia Matar and the Women In Green are heroes. They are wonderful Jews.

I agree.

It's fine to disagree with Nadia, but to cast aspersions and intimate that she might be a Shabak agent is out of line.

It's all too easy to second guess activists and leaders like Nadia and to forget all the wonderful things they do.

Was Begin wrong for his actions during the Altalena incident and horribly in error for surrendering the Sinai ? It's hard to argue against this. But do we define Begin solely on the basis of these actions or his entire life's work for Israel and the Jewish people ? Should we forget whatever good he did and relegate him to 'shmendrick idiot' status ? I don't think so.

I know Chaim and others probably disagree, but I still consider Begin a very great Jew and have great respect and love for his memory even though surrendering the Sinai was a terrible error.

Even Arik Sharon did some good as head of Unit 101.

It's good to maintain a degree of cynicism when evaluating our fellow Jews and the contributions they make in behalf of our homeland and people. It's fine to vigorously disagree with them and find fault with their decisions and actions. But let's not be so quick to call them schmendrick idiots or Shabak agents and entirely forget the contributions and sacrifices they have made.

[Mifletzet]

This by Chamish.

If it's ben Gvir and his boys that Nadia's speaking to in the clip, does that cast a different complexon on her actions?


" A genuinely courageous protest leader, Nadia Matar,
saw the damage Ben Gvir was doing to her cause:

http://israelrules.blogspot.com/2005/07/propoganda-gone-bad.html
The Gush Katif hotel eviction. Did you know that Nadia Matar requested from the police to remove Itamar Ben Gvir and his hooligans from the hotel a week before the eviction?
Guess what? The police IGNORED her. Why? They WANTED a big political story of the "crazies" in the hotel. I KNOW most of the people evicted from the hotel.
They all said -- a group of Itamar Ben Gvir hooligans came out of nowhere,
refused to leave, and caused the whole "uproar" of what happened.
Please note: less than 24 hours before the raid and eviction, the police arrive and escort Ben-Gvir out of Gush Katif. Why? He works for them...to rile up his hooligans...and make people like you think (and a lot of the Israeli public)
that the hotel was full of fanatical crazies."

[Eliezer Ben Avraham]

But do we all agree that Nadia was wrong and not too smart in the clip to go around cooling off the youths' fervent fighting ardour to the Hitnatkut?



Understandable - Nadia herself knowing what it means to be jailed and brutalised  - but still wrong?!

If instead of defanging the resistance, people like her had instead gone around firing it up - there would certainly have been a body count.

But Israel would be a different place now - with the memory of Kedoshim - Holy Martyrs of Gaza - to keep us enthused c.f. the Kedoshim of the Maccabees, Massada, and Warsaw Ghetto, whom people, especially religious people, tried to make them not fight...."for the sake of peace"!

Another soft-hearted but schmendrik idiot was Begin, who countermanded the order to return fire from the Altalena: "Jewish brothers do not shoot on Jewish brothers!".

A goodly bodycount of Lieutenant Rabin's leftist vermin on Frishman Beach would have changed history if the Etzel's Altalena fighters had been allowed to fire back!

But as Kahane said: "There will not be a milchemet achim - because they are not our achim!".

In dying defying the Yassam & Yamass Erev Ravniks, those boys would now be in the front rank of Olam Habo.

"From time to time the tree of freedom has to be watered with the blood of patriots...". 

I think she was right to try to protect the young girls, we aren't like the palis we shouldnt use children as defense