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Pathetic speech my dumb Satmur ghetto Rabbi gave
MassuhDGoodName:
For the first time in 2000 years, the Jewish People have retaken by force their ancestral homeland, and have made it possible for this current generation to "return home"; to actually make reality the prayers and dreams of millions of Jews since the fall of the Second Temple.
Forget all the rest, as the statement above is all you need to know.
So, Jew, are you going to face your ancestors in The World to Come with pride and honor?
Or, will you be ashamed to face them, because YOU had the opportunity to fulfill 2000 years of Jewish prayers to G-d to allow us to return HOME --and instead chose to remain in Exile because you feared the Arabs more than you loved G-d's Commandment to "TAKE POSSESSION OF THE LAND WHICH I HAVE GIVEN YOU!"
"NEXT YEAR IN JERUSALEM"!
habiru:
Yoel of Satmar told his followers in hungary to stay put while Hitler was warming up his war machine to invade Hungary. He himself fled and left most of his followers to perish. Draw your own conclusions.
q_q_:
--- Quote from: MassuhDGoodName on March 24, 2008, 12:13:23 PM ---For the first time in 2000 years, the Jewish People have retaken by force their ancestral homeland, and have made it possible for this current generation to "return home"; to actually make reality the prayers and dreams of millions of Jews since the fall of the Second Temple.
Forget all the rest, as the statement above is all you need to know.
So, Jew, are you going to face your ancestors in The World to Come with pride and honor?
Or, will you be ashamed to face them, because YOU had the opportunity to fulfill 2000 years of Jewish prayers to G-d to allow us to return HOME --and instead chose to remain in Exile because you feared the Arabs more than you loved G-d's Commandment to "TAKE POSSESSION OF THE LAND WHICH I HAVE GIVEN YOU!"
"NEXT YEAR IN JERUSALEM"!
--- End quote ---
Well for all that poetry..
There you are.
The point is that in the present times, israel is far more dangerous than america or britain..
A religious reason is a good reason to go there.. To fulfill G-d`s whatever the risk.
But it is not safe.. As far as safety is concerned, Israel would have been the perfect solution to the holocaust, but it came too late.
Bravery and religious fervour and perhaps the hope of 2000 years, are reasons to live in israel. (these are the reasons you give). But not safety.
This is why I add comment when those say
"Oh, the gedolim said stay , and jews stayed and died... "
Indeed.. And they would have lived had they moved to israel (or britain or america - or india!). Relatively speaking, israel was safe!
But this is a very different situation, europe is relatively safer than israel, by a mile. (and I mentioned for example, that britain isn`t going to be getting an anti-semitic dictator any time soon)..
And since they are obsessed with muslims at the moment, they aren`t even blaming jews much. It`s very safe compared to israel. And since the holocaust, we are paranoid and know the signs.
MassuhDGoodName:
q_q_: "...But this is a very different situation, europe is relatively safer than israel, by a mile. (and I mentioned for example, that britain isn`t going to be getting an anti-semitic dictator any time soon)..
And since they are obsessed with muslims at the moment, they aren`t even blaming jews much. It`s very safe compared to israel. And since the holocaust, we are paranoid and know the signs..."
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q_q_ ,
I can not change anyone's mind about how "safe" Jews are by living in Israel.
I do know one thing, however, and it is this:
Should Israel cease to exist, the Jewish People might as well march to the Baptismal font and disappear, because nowhere on the planet would be safe for Jews ever again.
My personal belief, is that already there is no longer a safe place for Jews, but only in Israel are there Jews able to take up arms and defend their fellow Jews.
If total destruction is our fate, I much prefer to go down fighting with my fellow Jews, than to be 'rounded up' in the dead of night to be shipped to the camps.
Neither Rabbi Meir Kahane, nor Chaim Ben Pesach, has ever advocated for Jews to pick up and run from country to country, wherever they seem to feel "a little less endangered".
Such was the fate of the Jew in Exile..."the proverbial Wandering Jew"...fulfilling the curse leveled upon the Jews at Mt. Sinai.
If you prefer moving to, or remaining in the UK, or perhaps another country rather than feel unsafe in Israel, I can not persuade you otherwise.
But as the old adage goes, "You can run, but you can't hide."
q_q_:
--- Quote from: MassuhDGoodName on March 24, 2008, 05:53:03 PM ---q_q_: "...But this is a very different situation, europe is relatively safer than israel, by a mile. (and I mentioned for example, that britain isn`t going to be getting an anti-semitic dictator any time soon)..
And since they are obsessed with muslims at the moment, they aren`t even blaming jews much. It`s very safe compared to israel. And since the holocaust, we are paranoid and know the signs..."
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q_q_ ,
I can not change anyone's mind about how "safe" Jews are by living in Israel.
I do know one thing, however, and it is this:
Should Israel cease to exist, the Jewish People might as well march to the Baptismal font and disappear, because nowhere on the planet would be safe for Jews ever again.
My personal belief, is that already there is no longer a safe place for Jews, but only in Israel are there Jews able to take up arms and defend their fellow Jews.
If total destruction is our fate, I much prefer to go down fighting with my fellow Jews, than to be 'rounded up' in the dead of night to be shipped to the camps.
Neither Rabbi Meir Kahane, nor Chaim Ben Pesach, has ever advocated for Jews to pick up and run from country to country, wherever they seem to feel "a little less endangered".
Such was the fate of the Jew in Exile..."the proverbial Wandering Jew"...fulfilling the curse leveled upon the Jews at Mt. Sinai.
If you prefer moving to, or remaining in the UK, or perhaps another country rather than feel unsafe in Israel, I can not persuade you otherwise.
But as the old adage goes, "You can run, but you can't hide."
--- End quote ---
Israel does have that advantage that it is a guard against another holocaust. Jews there will not be helpless unarmed, rounded up and murdered..
Nuked maybe, G-d forbid. But for something like that, jews are essentially unarmed, rounded up, and murdered.
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