If you can't follow a discussion, that is your fault.
You said (supposedly as an argument not to take any midrash literally) that religion bashers will take the piss out of you for taking midrash literally.
I said they will take the piss out of you for believing tenach stories (literally) too.
Then you go and reply that tenach stories really are literal
Very good. (yes deary, they are, but that's not the point)
Ok, your obsession with the word piss is scary enough, but when you start calling me deary it puts this conversation into a higher bracket of scary.
In any case, you also said that it is not fundamental to Judaism whether Bitya extended her arm many cubits to reach Moshe in the water. If it's not fundamental to Judaism, then you can't compare belief in the literal interpretation of midrash like that to belief in Tanach. The Tanach IS fundamental to Judaism. If people bash Jews for believing in the facts and truths of their religion, that's one thing, but how much more unnecessary it is if Jews are ridiculed for believing in myths.
You cannot and do not want to follow any logic. Let me explain the point again.
I can dream up questions on tenach stories, quesions that are not answered in tenach..
So Og was a giant huh? What size feet did he have?
Samson was strong huh? How much could be benchpress?
No, you cannot answer those questions.. And no, that does not invalidate the story about Og and the story about Samson.
Comprendez vous?
Well, I'm also not offended by those questions. I'm sure Og's feet were big and Samson could bench a lot of weight.
The point is you cannot answer them. I asked you how much, you didn't know.
I could ask you what Samson favourite breakfast was. You would not know.
You accept tenach. But they are not written in tenach. (or midrash btw)
So if you ask your stupid questions to person that knows kabbalah, and the answer is not in the tenach midrash or kabbalistic classical texts, and the person does not know. Then it proves nothing. Apart from that he is honest, and you are an idiot for thinking it proves something against kabbalah.
But those who get upset about false beliefs like Bitya-turned-Plastic Man and Hitler in heaven are defensive against logical questioning because they know these beliefs won't stand up under scrutiny.
Ata mevin?
Of course not. They are beliefs you made up. They certainly would not stand up under scrutiny! They have no basis
If you had the brains to actually find a premise that is in a classical kabbalistic text. Or in a midrash, such as
- her arm extended to reach moses-
note- some midrashim are literal, others are not.
You would be stupid, and scrutinise the midrash by saying "how ridiculous.. an arm extending!!!!!! It cannot be literal"
When you would accept such a thing if it was written in tenach. But not in a midrash, and certainly not in a kabbalistic text.
So what it boils down to is really a fundamental belief on your part, about all midrash being non literal. And about all kabbalah being false.
Your whole approach though, of scoffing and asking irrelevant questions, is retarded.. Or dishonest , slimy, evasive and defensive.
From what you've said, you just want to accept the minimum because you don't want "religion bashers" to think you are an idiot. And you think it will really make a difference.