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Herzl and the Zionists (Yimach Shemo)

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MarZutra:

--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on December 29, 2006, 12:13:33 PM ---good question- would you support some 1 who says hes against arabs , and even calls for bombing arabs while wants to and has waged a cultural war against Judaism? or at least says hes anti-Haredi?

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Personally, I would for the purpose of once the Arabs are gone, he'd be next.  Use the Communist philosophy against him: "Ends justifies the means".... ;)

Sorry, I just have to add one thing to my previous statement about the Rothschilds, since there are two sides to every story.  On Page 38 of Rabbi Marvin Antelman's "To Eliminate the Opiate" places a very strong arguement against the Jacob/James deRothschild as professed by Frederick Morton's biography "The Rothschilds, in that in 1862 Jacob deRothschild, via the Schiffs , was introduced and embraced a man by the name of Abraham Geiger; Bundist and founder of the cult of "Reform Judaism".  The Rothschild's authorized bio by Frederick Morton places the picture as the Rothschilds being committed Orthodox Jews for the most part but Antelman's research displays them on a VERY different light.  Geiger, the Chief "Rabbi" of Berlin gave eulogy on Nov 29, 1869 for the death of Jacob deRothschild combining purely Socialistic manipulations to Jewish prayers, actual sermon given Pg. 38.  Geiger went to the Rothschilds for additional funding, with a man named Berthold Auerbach(committed Marxist Revolutionary and Bund Committee member to the Reform movement) to finance the Reform "Judaism" movement.  The Communist theory of "Divide and conquer" is very logical and apperent for the reasoning of and for the birth of Reform "Judaism" to "Eliminate the Opiate".

Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
so you would support Tommy Lapid  :o. any 1 else comments please.

kahaneloyalist:
I believe it is a mistake to support anyone who doesnt accept the Torah, no matter how good they sound. Both Halachicaly and from a practical perspective of every non-religious "right-winger" Begin, Netanyahu, Sharon. Have all turned out to be terrible PM's.

Tzvi Ben Roshel1:

--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on December 30, 2006, 06:54:56 PM ---Non-religious Traditional Jews who DO accept The Torah are okay. Likud are not Traditional Jews.



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Yea but then they would just be a weakling, becuase if you accept the Torah, but dont completly follow it, then your a weakling in some way or another, dont get me wronge personally I wouldnt concider myself fully religious, and I do lack, but G-d willing will fill in the missing holes, BUT im not nor am I going to be a leader. A leader has to be completly loyal to G-d.
Anyway even a good leader participating in the rotten eruv rav kanesset just gives power to the eruv rav.

MarZutra:
Personally, if one classifies themselves as a Jew and tries sincerely to do what is morally right and logically correct, he'd be worthy of support.  The Torah observancy can be gained through education.  One cannot build a castle upon a base of sand but if one has a good base (morality) and accepts Torah, although ignroant, is very worthy of investment...  My 2cents worth... :)

PS: I'm extremely ignorant of both Hebrew and Torah.....

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