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Rubystars:
--- Quote from: Muck DeFuslims on April 14, 2008, 10:29:32 AM ---Would you care to share those reasons ?
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One of the greatest evidences for God is the continued survival of the Jewish people. When many other cultures that surrounded them have died away, they've survived with their culture relatively intact for thousands and thousands of years. Add to that, the repeated pogroms, in which attacks were made against them to try to wipe them out deliberately over and over again. Yet, they survived! They not only survived, but went on to have their own nation again. To me, it would seem impossible to look at that and say that they didn't have divine help.
While I maintain that science itself can not prove or disprove God, I do believe that informal inferences can be made from nature. While evolution does not work by "Random Chance" there are certain events that occurred in history, without which humans never would have come around. One of the most interesting involves a large impact that happened near the Cretaceous-Tertiary boundary of time. I believe God directed that impact to open more niches for mammals.
I've also seen people's lives changed through becoming closer to God and experienced some spiritual things myself.
--- Quote ---I would agree that science has been unable to (and probably will never be able to) definitively prove or dispve the existence of G-d. However, this is not the same as saying that scientific evidence does not exist that points to the existence of a supreme being.
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I think my problem with "ID" advocates is that they seem to be saying that such evidence is conclusive and they are demanding it be taught "as science" in the classroom. There can be inferences made from nature that may point to God, but such things are not scientific, they're philosophical. To me theology and philosophy are the realms of discussing topics like God. Science is all about what you can measure. How can you attempt to measure an omnipotent, eternal Being?
--- Quote ---Whatever your reasons for believing in G-d might be, you're certainly entitled to them. I just don't understand why you would think that scientific evidence pointing to the existence of G-d can't or doesn't exist or why you would be disturbed by former atheists changing their minds based on scientific evidence rather than faith.
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The scientific method requires something called methodological naturalism. It's unscientific to look outside of nature to explain something natural. Certainly as individuals we can believe that God had a hand in this or that, but we can't say that science says that.
Wayne Jude:
Wow,wayne jude is bowing out gracefully........... ;) :)
Rubystars:
--- Quote from: Christianwhitenation.name on April 14, 2008, 12:35:50 PM ---Wow,wayne jude is bowing out gracefully........... ;) :)
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LOL :D These posts are gargantuan...
Wayne Jude:
;)
Rubystars:
I apologize for using analogies that you found offensive. I'm not comparing G-d to some green unicorn, I was just trying to use an analogy to make the situation a little easier to analyze. In hindsight maybe I should have said it in a different way. I meant no disrespect to G-d. I stayed away from some of the analogies that drive certain points home in powerful ways because I was trying not to offend.
I love G-d and it is not my goal to diminish G-d's role in creation. I don't believe that G-d was a passive observer, but I believe that G-d was actively involved in guiding every step of the process. I believe that G-d commanded the world to bring forth all forms of life in the way that pleased Him.
I'll address the other points that you made later, but I hope that you won't continue to think of me as an atheist. Atheism is a hopeless philosophy in which a person truly is reduced to a mere object. Atheism is amoral, because whatever morals the person has don't have a basis in anything but the person's own personal set of ethics. Atheism is dehumanizing because it denies humanity's spiritual connection to G-d and the need for us to worship G-d as individuals. It's because we as human beings are created in G-d's image that we're able to have the capacity to even discuss such complex topics as science and theology.
I would like to keep on talking about it as long as you want to, but I want to do this with an attitude of mutual respect for one another.
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