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q_q_:

--- Quote from: Dr. Dan on June 11, 2008, 07:30:56 AM ---
--- Quote from: q_q_ on June 11, 2008, 03:58:49 AM ---Shimon-
The Torah gives the rabbis authority to make laws. Rabbinical laws are Torah.

Whether you like it or not.. And no doubt you don't. 

The mishna has oral tradition from sinai, it says

pirkei avot 1:1
1. Moses received the Torah from Sinai and transmitted it to Joshua; Joshua to the elders; the elders to the prophets; and the prophets handed it down to the men of the Great Assembly.  They said three things: Be deliberate in judgment, raise up many disciples, and make a fence around the Torah.






--- End quote ---

....and make a fence around the Torah and sanctify it.

--- End quote ---


that's a nice poetic touch, but it's not in this translation

http://www.shechem.org/torah/avot.html
1. Moses received the Torah from Sinai and transmitted it to Joshua; Joshua to the elders; the elders to the prophets; and the prophets handed it down to the men of the Great Assembly.  They said three things: Be deliberate in judgment, raise up many disciples, and make a fence around the Torah.
2. Shimon the Righteous was one of the last survivors of the Great Assembly.  He used to say: On three things the world is sustained: on the Torah, on the (Temple) service, and on deeds of loving kindness.

Dr. Dan:

--- Quote from: q_q_ on June 11, 2008, 08:20:41 AM ---
--- Quote from: Dr. Dan on June 11, 2008, 07:30:56 AM ---
--- Quote from: q_q_ on June 11, 2008, 03:58:49 AM ---Shimon-
The Torah gives the rabbis authority to make laws. Rabbinical laws are Torah.

Whether you like it or not.. And no doubt you don't. 

The mishna has oral tradition from sinai, it says

pirkei avot 1:1
1. Moses received the Torah from Sinai and transmitted it to Joshua; Joshua to the elders; the elders to the prophets; and the prophets handed it down to the men of the Great Assembly.  They said three things: Be deliberate in judgment, raise up many disciples, and make a fence around the Torah.






--- End quote ---

....and make a fence around the Torah and sanctify it.

--- End quote ---


that's a nice poetic touch, but it's not in this translation

http://www.shechem.org/torah/avot.html
1. Moses received the Torah from Sinai and transmitted it to Joshua; Joshua to the elders; the elders to the prophets; and the prophets handed it down to the men of the Great Assembly.  They said three things: Be deliberate in judgment, raise up many disciples, and make a fence around the Torah.
2. Shimon the Righteous was one of the last survivors of the Great Assembly.  He used to say: On three things the world is sustained: on the Torah, on the (Temple) service, and on deeds of loving kindness.



--- End quote ---

hehe..maybe it was teh conservative translation...

q_q_:

--- Quote from: Dr. Dan on June 12, 2008, 09:13:19 AM ---
--- Quote from: q_q_ on June 11, 2008, 08:20:41 AM ---
--- Quote from: Dr. Dan on June 11, 2008, 07:30:56 AM ---
--- Quote from: q_q_ on June 11, 2008, 03:58:49 AM ---Shimon-
The Torah gives the rabbis authority to make laws. Rabbinical laws are Torah.

Whether you like it or not.. And no doubt you don't. 

The mishna has oral tradition from sinai, it says

pirkei avot 1:1
1. Moses received the Torah from Sinai and transmitted it to Joshua; Joshua to the elders; the elders to the prophets; and the prophets handed it down to the men of the Great Assembly.  They said three things: Be deliberate in judgment, raise up many disciples, and make a fence around the Torah.






--- End quote ---

....and make a fence around the Torah and sanctify it.

--- End quote ---


that's a nice poetic touch, but it's not in this translation

http://www.shechem.org/torah/avot.html
1. Moses received the Torah from Sinai and transmitted it to Joshua; Joshua to the elders; the elders to the prophets; and the prophets handed it down to the men of the Great Assembly.  They said three things: Be deliberate in judgment, raise up many disciples, and make a fence around the Torah.
2. Shimon the Righteous was one of the last survivors of the Great Assembly.  He used to say: On three things the world is sustained: on the Torah, on the (Temple) service, and on deeds of loving kindness.



--- End quote ---

hehe..maybe it was teh conservative translation...

--- End quote ---

they might like their poetry but they don't sanctify the torah

shimon:

--- Quote from: q_q_ on June 11, 2008, 03:58:49 AM ---Shimon-
The Torah gives the rabbis authority to make laws. Rabbinical laws are Torah.

Whether you like it or not.. And no doubt you don't. 

The mishna has oral tradition from sinai, it says

pirkei avot 1:1
1. Moses received the Torah from Sinai and transmitted it to Joshua; Joshua to the elders; the elders to the prophets; and the prophets handed it down to the men of the Great Assembly.  They said three things: Be deliberate in judgment, raise up many disciples, and make a fence around the Torah.
--- End quote ---


what are you talking about . why are you saying lashon harah about me that i dont like the rabbis decisions. im just saying theres no quote from the torah banning pre marital sex. what a good job to make some one feel bad after shavout.

q_q_:
you may want to correct the quoting of your post.

Torah can mean talmud.  Mishna.  Even a halachic work like RAMBAM.

So if something is in the talmud, and you say it is not in the torah, it implies that you do not accept the talmud as Torah. As your torah, instruction, law.  Looks a bit karaite.

And also, it's not of any practical consequence if something is a law in one place and not mentioned in another place.. Because we accept both places.     If your post were to have any practical consequence, it would only be so if you only accept what is in the written.

I know you're not a karaite, you're just a bit of a shmoe. 

 


 

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