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What Do You Think Of Pre-Marital Intimacy And/Or Touching?

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Tzvi Ben Roshel1:

--- Quote from: Dr. Dan on July 16, 2008, 03:48:06 PM ---
--- Quote from: muslimslayer0075995 on July 16, 2008, 02:49:05 PM ---dr dan i mean it really is up to the couple, yes they should wait but they have the option not to. i think love really should be optional in the way people express themselves, so long as it is moral

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it's not for me to judge what an umarried couple did if they got married..however, the right way is not to do it...there are exceptions i'm sure..but still, if those exceptions are not needed, the right way is to wait.

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 Just for the record according to Halacha it is only wrong for Jews. It is not a problem for a non-Jew to go to a club and pick up some chick and do as they please, but for a Jew it is a serious crime (very serious, where the penalty could be spiritual excommunication and premature death, G-d forbid).

muslimslayer0075995:
um as i mentioned before that rule about early death. it al has to do with what society and what time period it is in (lol thats why jews dont get aids)

Scriabin:
Yes, it should be banned.

Can we PLEASE end this awful topic.

Dr. Dan:

--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on July 16, 2008, 06:49:39 PM ---
--- Quote from: Dr. Dan on July 16, 2008, 03:48:06 PM ---
--- Quote from: muslimslayer0075995 on July 16, 2008, 02:49:05 PM ---dr dan i mean it really is up to the couple, yes they should wait but they have the option not to. i think love really should be optional in the way people express themselves, so long as it is moral

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it's not for me to judge what an umarried couple did if they got married..however, the right way is not to do it...there are exceptions i'm sure..but still, if those exceptions are not needed, the right way is to wait.

--- End quote ---

 Just for the record according to Halacha it is only wrong for Jews. It is not a problem for a non-Jew to go to a club and pick up some chick and do as they please, but for a Jew it is a serious crime (very serious, where the penalty could be spiritual excommunication and premature death, G-d forbid).

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I highly doubt it, Tzvi...these are scare tactics which work for people like you.  I don't subscribe to this, "you'll die and go to hell if you do this and if you do that!"  We follow a religion that believes in a merciful god.  We have days like Yom Kippur to ask for another chance at life each year. We read in the chumash everyday for Gd to forgive us and pardon us in the Amidah.  So, I highly doubt the things you say about these penalties.

However, I will agree that it is better to wait till one gets married than to do it before.  I would want that for my children and for those who I love dearly..Jew or righteous gentile.  There is a higher spiritual uplifting between a couple that waits versus those that don't.  But to not do it because one might go to hell or be excommunicated are for those people who don't really understand the wold from experience...that's just my opinion...

Dr. Dan:

--- Quote from: Scriabin on July 17, 2008, 12:17:17 AM ---Yes, it should be banned.

Can we PLEASE end this awful topic.

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nope...but if you don't like it, you can post on a different thread.  At least it is in the dating section and not the general discussion section.

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