Roehm head of SA was a Homo Berlin fools build memorial for gays

[mord]

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3549306,00.html 




Senior Yad Vashem member opposes homosexual memorial


Yad Vashem Historian Israel Guttman claims memorial's proximity to that of Jewish Holocaust monument is 'deplorable', draws 'outrageous comparison of Jewish suffering with that of mostly German homosexual victims'

News Agencies Published:  05.29.08, 18:57 / Israel Jewish Scene 




“A mistake.” That is how senior Yad Vashem member Israel Guttman termed the establishment of the memorial for the homosexual victims of the Nazis in Berlin.

 

The new memorial was inaugurated Wednesday in the German capital in honor of thousands of homosexuals who were persecuted because of their sexual orientation, regardless of their ethnicity or religion. The memorial is situated near the Brandenburg Gate, close to the monument commemorating the six million victims of the Holocaust.

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Yad Vashem’s chief historian Israel Guttman was quoted in the Polish newspaper Rzeczpospolita speaking against this gesture: “For many years, I believed that the Germans grasped the atrociousness of the crimes they committed during the Holocaust. The site chosen for the memorial is especially abominable. The idea that visitors may deduce that the level of suffering caused to homosexuals was not much different than that suffered by the Jews - is a scandal. Proportions must be kept,” said Guttmann.

 

According to the historian, the homosexuals persecuted during World War Two were German only, many of which were Nazis themselves and victims of internal struggles within Hitler’s National Socialistic Party.

 

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The memorial was inaugurated by Berlin's Mayor Klaus Wowereit and Germany's Culture Minister Bernd Neumann. According to estimates, between 5,000 and 15,000 homosexuals were sent to concentration camps, and at least half of them were killed there.

[Americanhero1]

What type of memorial is that ?
What does it mean there only one place to stick it

[mord]

What type of memorial is that ?
What does it mean there only one place to stick it

[Ulli]

This so called memorial is an abnomination. The idea is stolen of Eisenmann's Holocaust memorial. This idiots have taken the image of one stele and repoduced it bigger. Then they digged it aslant in the earth. It is cavernous and there is a hole in the surface. If you look in the hole you see a videoclip, in which two abnominations kiss eatch other.

My personal oppinion is that the relation between Nationalsozialismus and Homosexuality is the same like the relation between Islam and Homosexuality.

Both ideologies say that they are against it, but a lot of their leaders and members are fags.

This is an open secret. Type in the search formular of google the terms "Arab" & "gay" or "Nazi" & "gay"

You will be surprised 

The Muzzies and Nazis have a broken relation to this abnomination. The SA leader Roehm was one under many. I know for shure from the Nazi leader Kühnen, that he was a homosexual that died because of Aids.

P.S.:
I don't care what evil people do to each other. 

[Kacen]

Yeah, the responses to this thread are definitely proof that I'm not gonna be around here long.

They were killed just like the Jews were.

Their lives don't count because they are homosexual?

And you could say that about Nazis being closet homosexuals there is a slight evidence of some of them doing it but some of it is conspiracy theory.

The Muslims? Uh, never seen evidence of it, except in I think some parts of the Ottoman empire, but the ottomans were and still are (Turkey) secular.

[mord]

Many Nazi Socialists were Homosexuels it's well known only gays who were effeminite gays ,or did something against the govt were killed.The gays were not hated by the nazi socialists.Now not to pick on the fools in Berlin i will also say the new Governor of N.Y. who both he and his wife had extramaritial affairs more then once,are now recognizing gay marriages in N.Y.S 

[MassuhDGoodName]

Kacen:  "...the responses to this thread are definitely proof that I'm not gonna be around here long."

Don't overstay your welcome.

[Ulli]

Yeah, the responses to this thread are definitely proof that I'm not gonna be around here long.

They were killed just like the Jews were.

Their lives don't count because they are homosexual?

And you could say that about Nazis being closet homosexuals there is a slight evidence of some of them doing it but some of it is conspiracy theory.

The Muslims? Uh, never seen evidence of it, except in I think some parts of the Ottoman empire, but the ottomans were and still are (Turkey) secular.

Kacen the following is only my private oppinion:

Their lives don't count because they are homosexual? YES IT IS EVIL TO COMPARE THE MURDERED JEWS WITH ABNOMINATIONS.


And you could say that about Nazis being closet homosexuals there is a slight evidence of some of them doing it but some of it is conspiracy theory. NO - THIS IS A KNOWN FACT.

The Muslims? Uh, never seen evidence of it, except in I think some parts of the Ottoman empire, but the ottomans were and still are (Turkey) secular.


Please Kacen follow this link:
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http://www.google.de/search?q=arab%20gay&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:de:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=iw

[Rubystars]

I don't think it was right to murder people for being homosexual. They shouldn't have been in favor of homosexuality, but the Nazis had no right to murder those people because of it. Mourning the loss of a human life isn't condoning what the homosexuals did.

I don't agree with any kind of lewd monument to them though, but I'd agree with a discreet one.

[Kacen]

Their lives don't count because they are homosexual? YES IT IS EVIL TO COMPARE THE MURDERED JEWS WITH ABNOMINATIONS.

I have gay friends. Comparison aside, you think they deserved to die?

Please Kacen follow this link:
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http://www.google.de/search?q=arab%20gay&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:de:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=iw

Well, Islam is against homosexuality. If a Muzzie practices it they are disobeying their religion. They are not being "good" muzzies...

[Ulli]

Islam is on the surface against homosexuality, but there are some points in the teachings of Islam, which let me doubt. It is not written, that in the Muslime paradise will be young boys in addition to the virgins? 

[Zelhar]

They don't deserve to die nor to be persecuted, they don't deserve a monument either. There is no 'They', this is not a community. Their sexual preference doesn't make them into one people.

I don't think Homos were murdered just for being Homo, those who were persecuted were part of the 'undesirables' they were along with Communists, Artists, feeble-minded persons and anyone who didn't conform enough.

So now they want to have a memorial erected to the Homos who rather die then to keep cross-dressing and bugging each other, and they want to compare that to people who were given no choice at all.  

[Ulli]

They don't deserve to die nor to be persecuted, they don't deserve a monument either. There is no 'They', this is not a community. Their sexual preference doesn't make them into one people.

I don't think Homos were murdered just for being Homo, those who were persecuted were part of the 'undesirables' they were along with Communists, Artists, feeble-minded persons and anyone who didn't conform enough.

So now they want to have a memorial erected to the Homos who rather die then to keep cross-dressing and bugging each other, and they want to compare that to people who were given no choice at all.   

Another good point. There is no comparability of this two cases. Every comparison shows only the maliciousness of the comparator.

[Kacen]

I think we there are too many variables at this point to decide whether being gay is completely by choice or just another one of nature's "glitches".

If the latter, discriminating against them would be on par with being racist in my opinion, falling into the category of hating someone for something they could not help.

More research needs to be done.

In addition, not all gays act like flamboyant and disgusting idiots.

I know of gay people who actually hate gay people who act like that, because it gives them a bad image.

In fact the reason gays tend to follow this flamboyant fad was to oppose the people who were against them an to rebel, it is not inherent in homosexuality itself. It arose in the 1960's to 1980's..

Do you really think the gay people in Germany were having gay pride parades which pissed off Hitler? Seriously...

[Zelhar]

I didn't mean they had to stop being gay, they had to keep it to themselves and not declare that they are because then it would put them in opposition to Nazi party line. So this is a discrimination and persecution but compare that to someone who was treated like a rat no matter what he said or didn't say, he was sentenced to death just for being born.

I don't think there was a 'gay holocaust' and the ones who were murdered I am sure they were the flamboyant ones who thought they still live in Berlin of the Wiemar republic when everything was  acceptable.

And then there are the SA homos like Rohem who deserve to die anyway though they weren't killed for being gay. Is the monument also suppose to commemorate this 'victims'?

[Zelhar]

Do you really think the gay people in Germany were having gay pride parades which pissed off Hitler? Seriously...

Just like the homos who are hanged in the streets of Teheran. They conduct this behavior, some get caught by the police and executed. I don't say it isn't horrific to do that, it is, but this is how Iranis dill with offenders, they also Hang adulterers and thieves still doesn't mean there is a 'thieves holocaust' is it?

[underthesun]

Roehm was an openly gay nazi. At least it was know that he was gay years before he was killed. Hitler used a sex incident to justify the "disposal" of Roehm. After that, life for homosexuals became difficult in Germany.
If Hitler wouldn't have wanted to get rid of the SA, he probably wouldn't have punished homosexuals so hard.

The second man after Michael Kuehnen (the starter of the neo-nazi movement - Golden Pheasant meantioned him) is now running a Querfront-Nazi-Organisation that tries to join all forces against the Jews. Those Nazis dress like Leftist and connect with Muslim Governments and Israel-Haters like Chavez. They are willing to except Muslims as long as they either have white skin or live in an other country. They are totally unaware of the nature of Islam. They try to save two issues from the nazi ideology:
1.Keaping the white race "clean".
2.Killing all Jews.
They openly admire Roehm and want to build a modern SA.

[underthesun]

A weird story:

After Michael Kuehnen died, the Neo-Nazi movement had no leader. (They never had a leader again and are fighting themselves most of the time.)
A movie maker tried to find a spokesman for an interview. The Nazi that he picked got arrested for a holocaust denial that took place during that interview. This Nazi hated gay people. But in prison he found out that he is actually gay himself. So when he came out, he became a leftist anti-nazi activist.

An other movie maker made then a movie about the whole episode and other gay-nazi issues. Most gay-nazis that he met during that film weren't even aware that the Nazis kill gays. They just liked the uniforms and symbols and that "men of steal"-cult. They knew virtually nothing about the evil stuff that they honored.

[Kacen]

But that doesn't mean all homosexuals are evil...seriously.

The generalizing on this forum is horrendous.

Of course, far fewer homosexuals were killed in the holocaust than Jewish people and most other groups...but really, when Jews have this attitude towards the holocaust, it really fuels anti-semitism. I know that from experience. How many people complain how they only talk about the Jews who died? Tons.

Yes, Jews were the biggest group. But really, if the Nazis had more time and there were more Gypsies, Freemasons, Slavs, Communists, whatever in their midsts they'd have killed more. They hated loads of people and all those people need to be recognized.

[Zelhar]

Kacen we recognize nazi victims this is not the subject of this discussion. The subject is do the homo victims deserve to have a special Memorial right across the one for the Jewish holocaust, and should gay victims be separated from other nazi victims like socialists feeble-minded persons.