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AP sets up a toll booth for bloggers citing its stories!!!
« on: June 17, 2008, 11:20:30 PM »
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By Tim Conneally, BetaNews
June 17, 2008, 3:19 PM

The AP's disharmony with bloggers may have only just begun, as the alternative it's now offering to being served with takedown notices involves paying an up-front sum for excerpting online articles -- as few as five words.

A meeting between the Associated Press' Vice President for Strategic Planning Jim Kennedy and Robert Cox, who heads the Media Bloggers Association, is now planned for Thursday of this week. The subject at hand is the AP's attempt to find a new way of sharing AP content, which now involves a fee per excerpt based on its word length.On the heels of a blogosphere revolt last week because of its harsh actions against social news site The Drudge Retort, the AP regrouped over the weekend to take a less litigative -- but more bureaucratic -- approach to dealing with those who wish to quote its material.

Where the group had previously invoked the Digital Millennium Copyright Act and sent cease-and-desist orders to at least one blogger, seeking the removal of excerpted content (in some cases as few as 17 words in length), now the press service has attached an "Excerpt for Web Use" charge for passages as short as five words in length.The pricing scale for excerpting AP content begins at $12.50 for 5-25 words and goes as high as $100 for 251 words and up. Nonprofit organizations and educational institutions enjoy a discounted rate.

This scale is likely only a temporary solution, as it raises a truckload of questions. For instance: Suppose a news source holds a press conference, and makes a statement to several attendees including an AP correspondent. Does the citation of that quote count as an excerpt of an AP story? What if Reuters cited the same quote? Or worse, what if Reuters cited the quote differently, and a blogger noticed the difference and excerpted both for comparison? If the AP citation turned out to be in error, would the blogger still owe?

Also, should "boilerplate" words count towards the fee? For example, a phrase common among news stories is "[Name] had this to say:" for prefacing a published statement or quote. If the AP runs a story with this phrase, will it therefore cost anyone else $12.50 to use this 10 cent expression?

US COPYRIGHT ACT, Chapter 1, § 107. Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use

Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include --

(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;

(2) the nature of the copyrighted work;

(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and

(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors.

How about one more: It's an unspoken fact that subscribers to the AP publish stories that use the AP's facts and that give the AP credit, though which are rewritten by their own staff on-hand, sometimes for length. If a blogger cites a rewritten but credited AP piece, whom does he owe, the AP or the newspaper or online service that rewrote the AP?

The Associated Press' Web Use excerpt system is powered by the ubiquitous iCopyright, whose own name ironically smacks of another popular trademark. BetaNews has been checking the link to the iCopyright service today, and has noted it's been down periodically.

In its "do's and don'ts" list, iCopyright warns would-be copyright infringers by saying, "Don't buy the 'I am using it for the public good' argument. That is a weak justification for infringement and sends the wrong message to students and employees."

Does anyone worry this might affect JTF's website?

Should AP articles be banned?

Frankly i do not think anyone who comes to this site is going to rat us out.
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Re: AP sets up a toll booth for bloggers citing its stories!!!
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2008, 11:24:19 PM »
AP is a joke for doing this.   This is atrocious.

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Re: AP sets up a toll booth for bloggers citing its stories!!!
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2008, 11:46:12 PM »
Its Right-Wing blogs that go after "fake but accurate" news media fantasies.  The AP knows this, and wants damage control as much as possible.  They don't want to be de-legitimized in front of the American people like Dan Rather was.

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Re: AP sets up a toll booth for bloggers citing its stories!!!
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2008, 10:32:16 AM »
How can they control what we cut and paste?



They plan on offering rewards to people who rat out sites that cut and paste from AP articles without paying.
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Re: AP sets up a toll booth for bloggers citing its stories!!!
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2008, 12:35:29 PM »
No one uses AP for accurate reporting
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Re: AP sets up a toll booth for bloggers citing its stories!!!
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2008, 12:54:26 PM »
No one uses AP for accurate reporting

I never trusted what they write because they are very biased

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Re: AP sets up a toll booth for bloggers citing its stories!!!
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2008, 12:56:02 PM »
No one uses AP for accurate reporting

I never trusted what they write because they are very biased
True reuters is the same
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Re: AP sets up a toll booth for bloggers citing its stories!!!
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2008, 12:57:39 PM »
No one uses AP for accurate reporting

I never trusted what they write because they are very biased
True reuters is the same

I dont like them Either I look at all news outlets to see what they say and i come up with my own conclusion