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Basic JTF ideology for European countries
« on: June 19, 2008, 04:57:44 PM »
[I will write it bit by bit - please tell me your oppinion about it.]

JTF programm for genile countries with taking under account the special situation of Europe after the Holocaust

1       The self-conception of JTF
2       Our view on the human nature
3       Core values of JTF
4       Our time and it's challenges
5       JTF's Security Policy
6       JTF's view on Europe
7       Our society - Citizens, interior organization and security
8       Immigration
9       The free market economy
10     Work
11     The economic system
12     Public finances
13     Welfare
14     Education
15     Culture and media
16     Children and family
17     Environment, energy und mobility
18     Rural regions
19     Varia





1       The self-conception of JTF - Who we are?


The Jewish Task Force is a movement for all righteous people. JTF applies to all humans of all races and classes of the country. Our politic is based on the biblical concept of the human and his responsibility in front of G-d.

 
2       Our view on the human nature
The human is born with free will. He is responible for all his deeds without exception. We admit, that G-d is knowing our future. But he let us our free will. According to our deeds we will be judged by him with perfect justice in this life and in the world to come.

3       Core values of JTF

A. We believe in the G-d of Abraham, Isaak and Jakob as the creator of the world and as the ruler of our world above all human powers.

B. We all believe in the unsophistication and divine inspiration of the Tanach and that G-d gave his choosen people the Jews and only the Jews whole Eretz Israel verbatim inclusive Gaza, whole Jerusalem inclusive the Temple Mount, the Galil, Judea and Samaria as their natural home.

C. We believe that Nazis, Muslimes and Socialists have no place in our countries, because they have proven through the history and are proving every day, that through their wickedness they are a threat to the survival of all of us.

D. We believe in the concept of free choice and the total responsibility of all adult humen for their deeds. and in the concept of reward and punishment in this world and in the world to come.

E. We believe in freedom in it's unsophisticated and natural meaning.

F. We believe in the concept of the traditional family.

G. We believe in a real free market economy.


4       Our time and it's challenges

We have in this time 6 major problems.

A. The fading believe in the bible as the word of our G-d

B. The threat of Islam

C. The threat of Socialism and it's wicked influence of our societies

D. Our addiction to oil in general

E. The problem of foreign aid

F. The threat against our national self-determination


5       JTF's Security Policy


We believe in less laws, but this laws will be enforced. We believe in law and order. Property offenses, like stealing and damaging public or private property are no practical jokes. We will make it clear that there are lines nobody is allowed to cross.

Habitual criminals or political criminals like Socialists, Nazis, Muslimes will be arrested forever or if possible deported to a Muslime country where they belong to.

6       JTF's view on Europe

We believe, that the EU has to be abolished in it's todays form. We are in favour of free trade, transfer of money, merchandise and services, but this has to be done through trade agreements between independent states and not by creating a supranational power. Also the states of Europe should have their own currencies.

7       Our society - Citizens, interior organization and security


We believe in a minimalist interior organization of the gouvernment. But security of the citizen is one main task of every gouvernment.


8       Immigration

Immigration is only healthy for a society if you controll it. Immigration in the welfare system, like we have in all European countries is a cancer to the society. Specially the immigration of people, who belong to evil and wicked cultures, like Islamic culture is threatening the life of all decent people in Europe. We will stop this through following measures instantly:

A. No person, who can not or want not earn his living will be permitted to immigrate into our countries.

B. No person, who belongs to an evil culture, like specially the Islamic culture, will be permitted to immigrate into Europe.

C. We will not make compromises with illegal immigrants which fall under A. or B. We will instruct the police to look for them and if they try to cover up their source country we will intern them in special camps as long they are hiding their origin and don't help us with their repatriation.

D. Every citizen canidate has to live at least 10 years in our countries, before he will get the citizenship. During this time his righteousness will be tested. If he has failed and he has married a regular citizen, both of them will be deported. Nobody will get the citizenship through marriage.

E. We welcome all decent hard working people, no matter if they are different. In our oppinion are counting only the thoughts, the deeds and the words.

9       The free market economy

10     Work

The human is born into this world to work in order to make an imperfect world more perfect.

The human earns with work his living and the living of the family.
Hard righteous work in order to supply the family  is the jewelry and the nobility of the human.

There are different forms of work, but we give to simple occupational activities our full respect and high regard too.

11     The economic system


12     Public finances

The gouvernment has to be frugal. Income tax, tax on property and the most other forms of taxes are not righteous. In our oppinion is an uniform sales tax the only righteous way to collect the money for the gouvernment for it's tasks. We don't believe in higher taxes for some trade goods, because we believe in free choice. Because we want to abolish the whole "social" sector of the gouvernment, this single tax is fully adequate. In addition to that the gouvernment will save a lot of executives because there will be no tax relavant amortizations, incomes, profits and balance sheets. The gouvernment doesn't have to check all of this things, so tens of thousands of officials will be needless. This will save extra money.

13     Welfare

We are opposed to welfare of any kind. Free men and free women have to work for their bread, like the bible told us. Welfare leads to passiveness and lazyness. This again leads to the denial of personal responsibility. A receiver of charity is knowing, that he don't deserve the alms, but a receiver of welfare is thinking rascally, that he has an entitlement on the money of the hard working people. This is obviously wrong and is damaging the G-d given natural order of the society.

The only form of welfare in our believe is charity by the free will of righteous people and religious communities.

Children have to care for their parents, like parents have to care for their children. The family is a common destiny and the members have to care for each other.

14     Education

Education belongs to the church and synagoge communities. The gouvernmental education system is a brainwashing-system for our youth. It has to be abolished.

We encourage people to found private schools.

15     Culture and media

We will end the sytem of parastatal TV and radiostations. The media don't belong to the gouvernment. Specially the GEZ1 in Germany and the bolschewist gouvernmental radio stations like ARD, BR, hr, MDR, NDR, RB, RBB, SR, SWR, WDR will be abolished. We will fire immediately all chairmen and employes and we will auction all property in the public with 1 Euro lowest bid for every economic unit. In this way the robbed and squashed people will have the change to get some of the fancy stuff for their companies and homes. The leadership of the bolschewist GEZ1 will be charged in front of a drumhead court-martial and sentenced to long sententences in a labor camp for the arrogant ruling and squashing the hard working people.

With similiar bolschwist systems in other countries we will act similar.

For the rest we believe in freedom of expression.


16     Children and family
The core of the family is built out of the father, the mother and the children. This is the G-d given natural order of the family.

Homosexuality is an abnomination according to G-d himself. G-d hates this behaviour. This creatures have no place in the world to come.

Because of the clear teachings of the bible we will never acknowledge this "behaviour" of two people in a legal frame.

The matrimony is in our oppinion forever defined as a special relation between a man and a woman.

17     Environment, energy und mobility

18     Rural regions

19     Varia

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Re: [Please make a sticky] Basic JTF ideology for European countries
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2008, 05:24:01 PM »
Ultimately there should be an "ETF" (although this is not a good name because it is already a used acronym) that would represent a European ideological movement inspired by Kahanism.

To be honest, since JTF is religiously motivated I can't see how a similar Organization could ever succeed in secular Europe.

May be more stress should be put on something like the seven point plan.

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« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2008, 06:48:16 PM »
Ultimately there should be an "ETF" (although this is not a good name because it is already a used acronym) that would represent a European ideological movement inspired by Kahanism.

To be honest, since JTF is religiously motivated I can't see how a similar Organization could ever succeed in secular Europe.

May be more stress should be put on something like the seven point plan.

I think it should always stay one movement with an universial ideology. In this way we prevent heresies. Look what the splinter forums have done.  :-\

We shouldn't be influenced by the anti-religious character of Europe. If they reject God , they are not worth to be rescued.

We make only the general call, then it is their decision.
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Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2008, 04:49:21 PM »
Thanks for putting this list up Goldfasan.

First of all we need to consider that Europe is not Israel or America.
I think it's necessary to work together with all people of good will, no matter if they are religious or not.
If we say we want to garantee free choice then we should accept if people dont believe in God as long as they dont do any damage.

I dont see why Education should be restricted to religious communities. We certainly would have to change some content of the curriculum but I wouldnt abondon the entire infrastructure of the public education system. Moreover you would have to set up lots of additional communities for educatiuon and also have to monitor their content since we need a guaranted minimum level of education.

I also see problems on the immigration issue. There's not question that we dont want followers of evil ideologies in Europe. But how do you distinguish among righteous and non righteous people?
One may say, ok we dont want muslims flooding into Europe, therefore we dont allow people from Arab/Middle Eastern countries into Europe.
But what do you do with persecuted Christians from the Middle East? You have Assyrian and Coptic Christians being persecuted in Iran and Egypt. From their background they are Arabs.
If Israel from the 1940 onwards didnt allow Jewish Arabs from all over the Middle East into the country then many Jews would have been killed through progroms.
If you allow Arab Christians refuge then every Arab will say I'm a Christian let me in.
How do you make sure people dont pretend something only to get access? Theoretically one can convert back and forth between Chistianity and Islam though it's not very authenic.
So it will be a problem to judge what kind of religious background someone really has.   
 

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Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2008, 05:16:53 PM »
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I also see problems on the immigration issue. There's not question that we dont want followers of evil ideologies in Europe. But how do you distinguish among righteous and non righteous people?
One may say, ok we dont want muslims flooding into Europe, therefore we dont allow people from Arab/Middle Eastern countries into Europe.
But what do you do with persecuted Christians from the Middle East? You have Assyrian and Coptic Christians being persecuted in Iran and Egypt. From their background they are Arabs.
If Israel from the 1940 onwards didnt allow Jewish Arabs from all over the Middle East into the country then many Jews would have been killed through progroms.
If you allow Arab Christians refuge then every Arab will say I'm a Christian let me in.
How do you make sure people dont pretend something only to get access? Theoretically one can convert back and forth between Chistianity and Islam though it's not very authenic.
So it will be a problem to judge what kind of religious background someone really has.   

It is usually quite easy to differ between a Muslim Arab to a non Muslim, more so since the Assyrians, the Copts and other non muslims are not even Arab and they speak a different language than Arabic. The Christian Arabs are generally not good people, for example in Israel they fully support the Muslims even though the Muslims hate them too. The Christian Arab Priests and Patriarch and Bishop who support the Nazi PLO and never miss a chance of condemning Israel. Even the Greek priests are anti-Israeli, they have to be since their flock is Arab and very much anti-Jewish.

P.S no such thing as "Jewish Arab" :P

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Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2008, 03:35:54 AM »
Thanks for the points. I will work on it in the evening.  :)
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Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2008, 04:21:40 PM »
I am a Hindu from India.Please understand the Grand Plan of Islam for Europe.More number of Islamic migrants to Aging Europe & producing unlimited kids with unlimited wifes just to take-over Europe & make Eurabia.European White women produce more kids with white European guys for Europian pride.Don't fight with your boy friends & Husbands for trivial weekend trips & small issues.Happy family for strong Race. American brothers & Sisters Vote for Republicans save the world. 

GOD BLESS INDIA,ISRAEL,USA & EUROPE

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Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2008, 05:27:57 PM »
Pheasant if you make a major update I advice you to post a comment bellow so we can check it out.

I can think of many remarks about your draft but here is a few to start:

* What about guaranteeing freedom of religion including atheism ?

* Your section about abolishing the public media implies that you want to set up labor camps.

* Reassuring Social-Democrats that they are not in the enemy and that they are not in one cathegory together with Muslims, Communists and Nazis.


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Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2008, 05:41:39 PM »
Pheasant if you make a major update I advice you to post a comment bellow so we can check it out.

I can think of many remarks about your draft but here is a few to start:

* What about guaranteeing freedom of religion including atheism ?

* Your section about abolishing the public media implies that you want to set up labor camps.

* Reassuring Social-Democrats that they are not in the enemy and that they are not in one cathegory together with Muslims, Communists and Nazis.



First point, you are absolutly right. Tomorrow I will reread it and correct the text if it is able to misunderstood.

Second point, imo the leadership of this bolschewik institutions deserves worse. But not everybody of the employes. But I can start tomorrow a poll on this issue. We are at last in JTF democtratic.

Third point, of course Social Democrats are Socialists light. They are not as bad as the other categories of people. Althrough they are a dangerous threat. I personally hate them. If they like their marxist ideology so much, they should put their money in a pot and launch i.e. a Kibbuz. I would admire them for this. There they can live their leftist utopia. But to force the public school system, compulsory school attendance, affirmative action, etc on all people and to top this crime with high taxation to finance this zoo is behind good and evil.

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Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2008, 05:16:36 AM »
Come on zelhar yoy know that muslim invaders won't leave voluntary neither the Europe nor Israel. We have been nice guys for last sixty years and now're paying for this.
Jeremiah 8:11-17

11 They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. Peace, peace, they say, when there is no peace.

12 Are they ashamed of their loathsome conduct? No, they have no shame at all; they do not even know how to blush. So they will fall among the fallen; they will be brought down when they are punished, says the LORD.

13 'I will take away their harvest, declares the LORD. There will be no grapes on the vine. There will be no figs on the tree, and their leaves will wither. What I have given them will be taken from them.'

14 Why are we sitting here? Gather together! Let us flee to the fortified cities and perish there! For the LORD our God has doomed us to perish and given us poisoned water to drink, because we have sinned against him.

15 We hoped for peace but no good has come, for a time of healing but there was only terror.

16 The snorting of the enemy's horses is heard from Dan; at the neighing of their stallions the whole land trembles. They have come to devour the land and everything in it, the city and all who live there.

17 See, I will send venomous snakes among you, vipers that cannot be charmed, and they will bite you, declares the LORD.

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Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2008, 06:10:07 AM »
I totally forgot about it. Sorry. I will take me some time to correct it.
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Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2008, 06:27:56 AM »
Come on zelhar yoy know that muslim invaders won't leave voluntary neither the Europe nor Israel. We have been nice guys for last sixty years and now're paying for this.
I am not concerned for the muslims, whom indeed must leave voluntarily or else. I was referring to members of our own societies and also to other minorities (east Asians for example) who aren't attempting to overthrow western civilization.

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Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2008, 02:42:40 PM »
The Jewish Task Force needs more members from Europe! I make a lot advertise for JTF. But the people aren't interested. But I try to do everything that people from Europe join the JTF.
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Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2008, 07:02:34 AM »
Hello, I am a Dutch non-Jew living in the Hague. Are you related to the Jewish Defence League?
Officially the JDL doesn't exist anymore in the Netherlands but I think they are still active in Amsterdam.
Since I live in the Hague its not very productive joining them.

I think it is important to teach people selfdefence and wake them up to the muslim agenda. Visualisation exercises are important too to get more brain activation.

Is JTF already active in the Netherlands?

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Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2008, 10:51:49 AM »
Hello, I am a Dutch non-Jew living in the Hague. Are you related to the Jewish Defence League?
Officially the JDL doesn't exist anymore in the Netherlands but I think they are still active in Amsterdam.
Since I live in the Hague its not very productive joining them.

I think it is important to teach people selfdefence and wake them up to the muslim agenda. Visualisation exercises are important too to get more brain activation.

Is JTF already active in the Netherlands?

I am not shure if we have any members from the Netherlands. The closest one I know is the moderator Ambiorix of this section. He is I think a Fleming.

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If you want to know about JTF & JDL you can ask Chaim on this weeks Ask JTF on the top of the General discussion section.
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Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2009, 01:31:45 PM »
[I will write it bit by bit - please tell me your oppinion about it.]

Kahanism for genile countries with taking under account the special situation of Europe after the Holocaust
<snip>

That is a very misleading heading!

Since Rabbi kahane never saught to impose himself/kahanism on gentile countries!

JTF does extend kahanism somewhat.. Having an agenda to Save America. I wouldn't call that kahanism though, it's an extention of it, related to the noachide laws no doubt. 

Countries should do what is in their own interest, according to rabbi kahane.  Rabbi Kahane's interest was Israel. He lived there, he was a govt minister there, it's his country. He would have been pleased if all the arabs left israel and came to America.  (perhaps he also said that so that if americans objected, he'd say "well we don't want the arabs anymore than you do!!")

   
The Save America agenda is about righteousness, there are righteous atheists. I don't think G-d is imposed though.. that's not possible.

rabbi kahane never promoted the idea that this is a war with the west against islam.   (though it's true, and undeniable now)   JTF does promote that idea.

rabbi kahane did say that christians should bless israel, not for israel's sake, but for their own sake! As the bible says. He who blesses israel shall be blessed.

rabbi kahane actually felt that it was trying to please the world that was killing israel. So he wanted to cut ties completely! I did read on a good site once that this was his message.. maybe around when he wrote Revolution or Referendum.  And he felt things getting more and more urgent , as the 40 year period was coming to a close. And then he was murdered.

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Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2009, 02:04:17 PM »
[I will write it bit by bit - please tell me your oppinion about it.]

Kahanism for genile countries with taking under account the special situation of Europe after the Holocaust
<snip>

That is a very misleading heading!

Since Rabbi kahane never saught to impose himself/kahanism on gentile countries!

JTF does extend kahanism somewhat.. Having an agenda to Save America. I wouldn't call that kahanism though, it's an extention of it, related to the noachide laws no doubt. 

Countries should do what is in their own interest, according to rabbi kahane.  Rabbi Kahane's interest was Israel. He lived there, he was a govt minister there, it's his country. He would have been pleased if all the arabs left israel and came to America.  (perhaps he also said that so that if americans objected, he'd say "well we don't want the arabs anymore than you do!!")

   
The Save America agenda is about righteousness, there are righteous atheists. I don't think G-d is imposed though.. that's not possible.

rabbi kahane never promoted the idea that this is a war with the west against islam.   (though it's true, and undeniable now)   JTF does promote that idea.

rabbi kahane did say that christians should bless israel, not for israel's sake, but for their own sake! As the bible says. He who blesses israel shall be blessed.

rabbi kahane actually felt that it was trying to please the world that was killing israel. So he wanted to cut ties completely! I did read on a good site once that this was his message.. maybe around when he wrote Revolution or Referendum.  And he felt things getting more and more urgent , as the 40 year period was coming to a close. And then he was murdered.



I think you are right. As I wrote this I was not completely aware of Kahanist believe.

I will work on this programm again and correct it.

I think that old fashioned liberalism combined with biblical values is the way to go. But this is my believe and not Rabbi Kahane's.

Of course I wish no good person  that Quranimals will settle down near to him. They belong imo generally to Muslim countries.

Perhaps Rabbi Kahane used it as a rethorical figure, but I really can't believe that he encouraged this type of people to come to the USA.

However I have heard some speeches of him and I have to admit, that I like him.

That he focussed on Israel was the right thing. The power of a man is not endless. You have to make priorities.
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Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2009, 02:18:43 PM »
[I will write it bit by bit - please tell me your oppinion about it.]

Kahanism for genile countries with taking under account the special situation of Europe after the Holocaust
<snip>

That is a very misleading heading!

Since Rabbi kahane never saught to impose himself/kahanism on gentile countries!

JTF does extend kahanism somewhat.. Having an agenda to Save America. I wouldn't call that kahanism though, it's an extention of it, related to the noachide laws no doubt. 

Countries should do what is in their own interest, according to rabbi kahane.  Rabbi Kahane's interest was Israel. He lived there, he was a govt minister there, it's his country. He would have been pleased if all the arabs left israel and came to America.  (perhaps he also said that so that if americans objected, he'd say "well we don't want the arabs anymore than you do!!")

   
The Save America agenda is about righteousness, there are righteous atheists. I don't think G-d is imposed though.. that's not possible.

rabbi kahane never promoted the idea that this is a war with the west against islam.   (though it's true, and undeniable now)   JTF does promote that idea.

rabbi kahane did say that christians should bless israel, not for israel's sake, but for their own sake! As the bible says. He who blesses israel shall be blessed.

rabbi kahane actually felt that it was trying to please the world that was killing israel. So he wanted to cut ties completely! I did read on a good site once that this was his message.. maybe around when he wrote Revolution or Referendum.  And he felt things getting more and more urgent , as the 40 year period was coming to a close. And then he was murdered.



I think you are right. As I wrote this I was not completely aware of Kahanist believe.

I will work on this programm again and correct it.

I think that old fashioned liberalism combined with biblical values is the way to go. But this is my believe and not Rabbi Kahane's.

Of course I wish no good person  that Quranimals will settle down near to him. They belong imo generally to Muslim countries.

Perhaps Rabbi Kahane used it as a rethorical figure, but I really can't believe that he encouraged this type of people to come to the USA.

However I have heard some speeches of him and I have to admit, that I like him.

That he focussed on Israel was the right thing. The power of a man is not endless. You have to make priorities.

Neither JTF or Kahane encouraged it
It's the question of arabs of israel moving out of israel, to somewhere else.

But if another place is crazy enough to accept them, then better there than Israel.   No sane country should want them though, that's for sure.

Israel is a small country anyway.

The Save America agenda would certainly be against it! It's a JTF thing. It has many kahanist elements.  Righteous gentiles is not something that rabbi kahane set out to create..  Though if they are righteous, that's good.

For example, talking about the holocaust, (speech in skokie) Rabbi Kahane would say that it's not the gentiles that he blames so much, because he doesn't expect anything more from them. it's the jews that did nothing. The jewish organizations.

rabbi kahane limited his agenda alot because israel was in such imminent danger.  He was a great scholar , and could have studied alot more too, but he didn't write that much halachic stuff..and he campaigned alot.  I'm sure he did so because he felt, that if there is no israel then there will be no yeshivot. This was the history he wrote about, that we should learn from. (he still studied in yeshivot for 15 years - he said 15 years I think, ref- his talk to noachides)
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Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2009, 07:25:11 AM »
It's not about Kahanism per se but implemnation of good old Judeo-Christain moral values, Greek estetics and logic and Roman civil law. We must get rid of false enligtement which deified human reason which brought only gulags, guilotines and gass chambers. If Europe is in deep trouble it all becouse french revolution her bastard children nationalism, socalism and secularism it brought. Stoping to siding with enemies of Israel will help too but antisemism is not only western sin. I do think that now all west is cursed.
And Rabii Kahane was wrong on Islam, mayority of anti zionist Jew haters today are not Philistinian or even Arabs. the chabad murderes were pakis or indian muslims. Koranimals just pretended to be fascist or nazi before 1945, later they worked as British alies and after the 1956 they sided with Soviets but since 1979 are they no longer acting as socialists in their own countries. The western leftists are just pawns the icebreakers of global jihad. Islamists are helping them to overthrow the old order only to replace it by sharia not comunism. They did it in Iran after all. Sending the Arabs from Israel to other countries will not help as they can do damage from abroad as well we do live in globalist world unfortunetly. We must strike the traitors fom within first, than enemies from obroad and repent.   
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12 Are they ashamed of their loathsome conduct? No, they have no shame at all; they do not even know how to blush. So they will fall among the fallen; they will be brought down when they are punished, says the LORD.

13 'I will take away their harvest, declares the LORD. There will be no grapes on the vine. There will be no figs on the tree, and their leaves will wither. What I have given them will be taken from them.'

14 Why are we sitting here? Gather together! Let us flee to the fortified cities and perish there! For the LORD our God has doomed us to perish and given us poisoned water to drink, because we have sinned against him.

15 We hoped for peace but no good has come, for a time of healing but there was only terror.

16 The snorting of the enemy's horses is heard from Dan; at the neighing of their stallions the whole land trembles. They have come to devour the land and everything in it, the city and all who live there.

17 See, I will send venomous snakes among you, vipers that cannot be charmed, and they will bite you, declares the LORD.

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Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2009, 10:48:36 AM »
And Rabii Kahane was wrong on Islam, mayority of anti zionist Jew haters today are not Philistinian or even Arabs. the chabad murderes were pakis or indian muslims.

Rabbi Kahane was only trying to save Israel.  In Israel, it's arabs.

And it's easier to convince people that arabs are a problem, than that a religion is a problem.

Rabbi Kahane spoke in a very practical way. To convince many , and get them to take action. He always went for short answers that worked.

JTF is trying to save Israel and Europe, america, western civilization..   So talks about Islam.. Indeed, it is more accurate to say that it's islam. But certainly at that time, it was easier to convince people that arabs were the problem, after starting all those wars.. Than to say a religion is a problem.  Or militant forms of it.

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Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2009, 12:38:47 PM »
And Rabii Kahane was wrong on Islam, mayority of anti zionist Jew haters today are not Philistinian or even Arabs. the chabad murderes were pakis or indian muslims.

Rabbi Kahane was only trying to save Israel.  In Israel, it's arabs.

And it's easier to convince people that arabs are a problem, than that a religion is a problem.

Rabbi Kahane spoke in a very practical way. To convince many , and get them to take action. He always went for short answers that worked.

JTF is trying to save Israel and Europe, america, western civilization..   So talks about Islam.. Indeed, it is more accurate to say that it's islam. But certainly at that time, it was easier to convince people that arabs were the problem, after starting all those wars.. Than to say a religion is a problem.  Or militant forms of it.

If Israel cleans itself from Arabs but Europe and America become Dar al Islam, it would be a very short-live victory for Israel.

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Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2009, 03:15:38 PM »
And Rabii Kahane was wrong on Islam, mayority of anti zionist Jew haters today are not Philistinian or even Arabs. the chabad murderes were pakis or indian muslims.

Rabbi Kahane was only trying to save Israel.  In Israel, it's arabs.

And it's easier to convince people that arabs are a problem, than that a religion is a problem.

Rabbi Kahane spoke in a very practical way. To convince many , and get them to take action. He always went for short answers that worked.

JTF is trying to save Israel and Europe, america, western civilization..   So talks about Islam.. Indeed, it is more accurate to say that it's islam. But certainly at that time, it was easier to convince people that arabs were the problem, after starting all those wars.. Than to say a religion is a problem.  Or militant forms of it.

If Israel cleans itself from Arabs but Europe and America become Dar al Islam, it would be a very short-live victory for Israel.

If europe and america become dar al islam, i'm sure israel will be in an even worse situation, if that's even possible.  They'd have made it the heart of dar al islam.

life in europe and america is bad but it's not going to become taken over. The arabs cannot get a majourity.  Arabs/muslims can make life more miserable  but they need numbers in proportion to the area, to be able to take over.

I'm not talking about a child being spoilt by parents.. taking over their lives. (this is how the arabs in europe and america are). I mean taking the keys of the house and running the place.


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Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2009, 12:48:26 PM »
Very good thread, I showed it to my father who is not Jewish, and he agree with all!
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Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2009, 01:05:54 PM »
Very good thread, I showed it to my father who is not Jewish, and he agree with all!

Thank you ProudZionist.  :)
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Re: Basic JTF ideology for European countries
« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2009, 03:37:59 PM »
You are welcome!

I think, if I make JTF video maybe in Hungarian once, I have to translate it.  :)
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