Fact is. Israel's self hating leaders do not even claim to be religious/practicing/orthodox jews. Neither do the leaders of the big jewish organisations.
Show me where I claimed that they do.
So this isn't some ticket for you to "criticise" judaism. Whatever that means.
So, you don't believe in criticizing any Jew who ever does wrong? I guess your next line proves that you do not.
What you do do, is you Curse the satmar rebbe(an anti-zionist rabbi). You claim he is not a rabbi. (he has rabbinical smicha, so he is)
Please explain. All kinds of people these days claim to be "rabbis". Do you think Deformed "rabbis" are legitimate?
You have made comments about the judaism that religious members practice, and about the talmud.
You better provide some evidence for that one, buddy. I demand a quote of me bashing the Talmud.
All suggesting some idea you have of jews practicing a jewish master race anti gentile based judaism. And this has been in reference to some jews here.
Don't say "some Jews here" when you know exactly who I meant.
You are not qualified to comment on it. And your comments themselves have disqualified you from making any comment on it.
LOL that's a convenient answer.
You ask the question of if a Jew can marry a noachide (i.e. gentile). You are totally ignorant about judaism, and you want it to be something it isn't. (And you think jews here follow something that thank G-d they don't follow)
So now asking a question proves that I am an anti-Semite?
When religious Jews here say that jews are a family. You object.
Sorry, your blatant distortion ain't gettin' you nowhere, bud.
You are always wrong on anything you say about judaism.
Umm, I'm gonna need some sources for that one besides your word for it.
But whether you are right or wrong, there are religious jews here that can describe judaism. So you don't have to, thank G-d.
Funny, I do recall that the last time you started a flame war, most of the forum's Jews sided with me. Care to explain why DownwithIslam said everything I did and more? Or Dr. Dan? Or Lubab? Are they all part of my grand anti-Semitic conspiracy too?
REGARDING cursing
Chaim doesn't even curse yekutiel. He has said it is forbidden, much to your
That means, you don't curse the Satmar Rebbe.
You or DWI don't curse me or other jews here.
There may be some exceptions to the rule about not cursing jews. Chaim is the expert there.
But he certainly would not curse the satmar rebbe.
REGARDING your attitude to the talmud. I vaguely recalled something. And that person apologising to chaim about it on an ask jtf. If it wasn't you then i'm happy to be wrong. I would point out though that the people who accuse any jews of being a "master race", would in every occassion (except perhaps yours), be the same people that would say it is in the talmud. (the talmud is huge and in aramaic, and it is easy for people to make up quotes about it, and for others to believe them).
And what do you mean then about it being legitimate to criticise "Some of judaism". If you are referring to nothing in the jewish bible, and nothing in the talmud.
What are you talking about with these loose statements.
Criticising self hating secular jews? liberal ministers that don't believe in the torah. Is that "some of judaism" to you ??
REGARDING me bringing up you asking the question of if a jew can marry a noachide. That was to demonstrate that you are ignorant, and that your ignorance disqualifies you from explaining judaism or criticising judaism. Besides the fact that we should not be criticising judaism or christianity on this forum.
REGARDING the family point.
tzvi made the point - correctly - that jews are a family, and a nation, separate from the other nations. We have to separate ourselves. Jews do not look at jews and gentiles as one family. Human beings, yes. Deserving of respect, yes. We can work towards common goals, e.t.c.
The discussion was in a very stupidly titled thread started by a Christian, called "Christian Idol Worship". topic=23426.0 Eventually he regretted even starting the thread..
REGARDING your claim that jews side with you against me. This is not exactly the case. The only jew - and it was a suprise to discover he was jewish - who supports you, is DWI. (you are basically the same person, except you are gentile)
When you called me a troll, Dr Dan defended me, and I told him to stop, and criticised him for elongating the interruption of intellectual content. I wanted to keep it to the torah and science discussion about the age of the earth . I didn't want it to turn into an argument over whether I was a troll. Regardless of the fact that he was on my side. I've criticised him over many things, and so he has objected to me for many reasons but never related to you. And never defending you!
Lulab just avoids any disagreement, maybe it upsets him. He wouldn't even mention your name or my name or DWI's in talk of a dispute. He doesn't get involved. Of course, neither you(CF) or DWI, disagree with him. And DWI even seems to object to anybody saying that the lubavitcher rebbe is not the messiah. Such statements probably upset lulab. That doesn't make them wrong.
DWI and you just act like Chaim's dogs. And DWI is also Lulab's dog. You criticise Yekutiel for being a dog trainer, but if Chaim and Lulab were dog trainers we'd have alot less trouble. (dogs aren't all bad, they can be good or bad, alot of what you or DWI did as a dog on the splinter forum was justified, and pre greco, alot wasn't. So i'm not criticising all your dog like behaviour, just giving an assessment of it with an appropriate analogy). Chaim and Lulab themselves would not engage in a fraction, or any, of the wild, immature behaviour and cursing that you(CF) and/or DWI engage in.
Who else defends you / defends you against me, besides DWI.
KahaneBT and Tzvi and myself have been in agreement and on the same side against DWI throughout this. All of us are jews, religious jews.
And my point in all of this, besides just replying to you.
Just so we don't lose track here.
You make some vague remark that you can criticise judaism or christianity
You do not define what that means with examples. You just make vague comments about all of judaism and some of judaism.. All of christianity or some of christianity.
And without examples of what you mean, you are just trying to justify whatever you want, by insisting on a loose definition.
And that is why I have gone through those examples. Not for the purpose of attacking you, but for the purposes of defining the parameters of what I think is a VERY dangerous statement.
That you want to criticise judaism and christianity .. And you expect people to OK that.
You are a complete ignoramous on judaism anyway. As shown by your question of whether a jew can marry a noachide(a noachide being a gentile). Infact, even if the only rabbi you know of is rabbi kahane. He mentioned that a jew cannot marry a non-jew, in almost every talk he gave. Because he was often accused of racism for saying that when/if he becomes prime minister, he would ban intermarriage. And he said that any orthdoox rabbi would tell you that a jew cannot marry a non-jew, that's judaism. This is a kahanist forum and you haven't heard rabbi kahane say this?!