Author Topic: Check Out This Article on Africa  (Read 1386 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Lisa

  • Forum Administrator
  • Silver Star JTF Member
  • *
  • Posts: 9373
    • The Urban Grind
Check Out This Article on Africa
« on: July 16, 2008, 07:29:36 PM »
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/africa-is-giving-nothing-to-anyone--apart-from-aids-1430428.html

By Kevin Myers

Thursday July 10 2008

No. It will not do. Even as we see African states refusing to take action to restore something resembling civilisation in Zimbabwe, the begging bowl for Ethiopia is being passed around to us, yet again. It is nearly 25 years since Ethiopia's (and Bob Geldof's) famous Feed The World campaign, and in that time Ethiopia's population has grown from 33.5 million to 78 million today.

So why on earth should I do anything to encourage further catastrophic demographic growth in that country? Where is the logic? There is none. To be sure, there are two things saying that logic doesn't count.

One is my conscience, and the other is the picture, yet again, of another wide-eyed child, yet again, gazing, yet again, at the camera, which yet again, captures the tragedy of . . .

Sorry. My conscience has toured this territory on foot and financially. Unlike most of you, I have been to Ethiopia; like most of you, I have stumped up the loot to charities to stop starvation there. The wide-eyed boy-child we saved, 20 years or so ago, is now a priapic, Kalashnikov-bearing hearty, siring children whenever the whim takes him.

There is, no doubt a good argument why we should prolong this predatory and dysfunctional economic, social and sexual system; but I do not know what it is. There is, on the other hand, every reason not to write a column like this.

It will win no friends, and will provoke the self-righteous wrath of, well, the self-righteous, letter-writing wrathful, a species which never fails to contaminate almost every debate in Irish life with its sneers and its moral superiority. It will also probably enrage some of the finest men in Irish life, like John O'Shea, of Goal; and the Finucane brothers, men whom I admire enormously. So be it.

But, please, please, you self-righteously wrathful, spare me mention of our own Famine, with this or that lazy analogy. There is no comparison. Within 20 years of the Famine, the Irish population was down by 30pc. Over the equivalent period, thanks to western food, the Mercedes 10-wheel truck and the Lockheed Hercules, Ethiopia's has more than doubled.

Alas, that wretched country is not alone in its madness. Somewhere, over the rainbow, lies Somalia, another fine land of violent, Kalashnikov-toting, khat-chewing, girl-circumcising, permanently tumescent layabouts.

Indeed, we now have almost an entire continent of sexually

hyperactive indigents, with tens of millions of people who only survive because of help from the outside world.

This dependency has not stimulated political prudence or commonsense. Indeed, voodoo idiocy seems to be in the ascendant, with the next president of South Africa being a firm believer in the efficacy of a little tap water on the post-coital penis as a sure preventative against infection. Needless to say, poverty, hunger and societal meltdown have not prevented idiotic wars involving Tigre, Uganda, Congo, Sudan, Somalia, Eritrea etcetera.

Broad brush-strokes, to be sure. But broad brush-strokes are often the way that history paints its gaudier, if more decisive, chapters. Japan, China, Russia, Korea, Poland, Germany, Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia in the 20th century have endured worse broad brush-strokes than almost any part of Africa.

They are now -- one way or another -- virtually all giving aid to or investing in Africa, whereas Africa, with its vast savannahs and its lush pastures, is giving almost nothing to anyone, apart from AIDS.

Meanwhile, Africa's peoples are outstripping their resources, and causing catastrophic ecological degradation. By 2050, the population of Ethiopia will be 177 million: The equivalent of France, Germany and Benelux today, but located on the parched and increasingly protein-free wastelands of the Great Rift Valley.

So, how much sense does it make for us actively to increase the adult population of what is already a vastly over-populated, environmentally devastated and economically dependent country?

How much morality is there in saving an Ethiopian child from starvation today, for it to survive to a life of brutal circumcision, poverty, hunger, violence and sexual abuse, resulting in another half-dozen such wide-eyed children, with comparably jolly little lives ahead of them? Of course, it might make you feel better, which is a prime reason for so much charity. But that is not good enough.

For self-serving generosity has been one of the curses of Africa. It has sustained political systems which would otherwise have collapsed.

It prolonged the Eritrean-Ethiopian war by nearly a decade. It is inspiring Bill Gates' programme to rid the continent of malaria, when, in the almost complete absence of personal self-discipline, that disease is one of the most efficacious forms of population-control now operating.

If his programme is successful, tens of millions of children who would otherwise have died in infancy will survive to adulthood, he boasts. Oh good: then what?I know. Let them all come here. Yes, that's an idea.

[email protected]

Offline briann

  • Silver Star JTF Member
  • ********
  • Posts: 8038
  • Mmmm HMMMMM
Re: Check Out This Article on Africa
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2008, 07:37:46 PM »
Nice article.

I actually discuss Africa when I teach international finance.  And one topic I cannot 'touch' is why there is not a single example of progress in ANY sub-saharan nation.  I wont lie and tell them its because theyve been marginalized by colonialism... because the exact same thing has happened to much of S.E. Asia... and yet... the S.E. Nations have all improved their lives.

Its sorta a... 'dont discuss' topic.


Offline Sarah

  • Ultimate JTFer
  • *******
  • Posts: 3341
Re: Check Out This Article on Africa
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2008, 03:53:36 AM »
Quote
For self-serving generosity has been one of the curses of Africa. It has sustained political systems which would otherwise have collapsed.

That is completely true. Though the generosity, always seems to find itself  back to the pockets of government officials.
Another thing is the fact there are numerous countries who deal in precious metals with these countries, sources owned by the government and sustaining their power. It should all be cut off, sanctions imposed on the economy are a must....they will effect the people in the short term but in the long run they will improve the situation by collapsing the evil leaders.

Offline Rubystars

  • Gold Star JTF Member
  • *********
  • Posts: 18278
  • Extreme MAGA Republican
Re: Check Out This Article on Africa
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2008, 03:59:43 AM »
One problem is that if you feed them they have a lot of kids, so the number of starving people just keeps increasing, making the problem worse, because they don't, won't, or maybe even can't farm for themselves.

Offline Cyberella

  • Master JTFer
  • ******
  • Posts: 1196
Re: Check Out This Article on Africa
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2008, 09:12:41 AM »
.

And while we're on the subject of Africa, when Obama joined the white hating/America hating, pro-Islam Trinity church he took a vow to place "mother Africa" above all else. He vowed a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA. (see TUCC website)

His loyalties lie not with America, but Africa. He doesn't know the MEANING of patriotism- for he was raised by an America hating set of parents in a foreign country. He was never INDOCTRINATED into American values and belief system.

He has already stated that he will stop the war in Darfur, and stated that he wants the U.S. to interfere in the current political elections.

He has already interfered in African politics by going to Kenya to campaign for the Islam-backed, murderous Odinga.
(But then he promised he would 'stand by the Muslims' in his book, didn't he?)
Obama went to Kenya to campaign for Odinga, who had promised hard-line Muslims to turn the country Islamic if he won the election. When he failed to get elected, he instigated riots that caused the death of over 1500- including 50 who were burned alive when they burned down a Christian church.
OBAMA WENT TO KENYA TO CAMPAIGN FOR THIS MAN!!


Obama would be trading war in Iraq for war in Africa, his "mother" country.
We would be pouring billions more down corrupt African rat holes and thousands of Americans would die in this third world cesspool.
This man must be stopped.

http://www.theobamafile.com/
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2008/01/barack-obama-backs-taliban-supporter-in.html

http://www.themidnightsun.org/?p=1613

http://eakenya.org/newsevents/article.htm?id=8
« Last Edit: July 17, 2008, 09:21:17 AM by Cyberella »

Offline Zelhar

  • Honorable Winged Member
  • Gold Star JTF Member
  • *
  • Posts: 10678
Re: Check Out This Article on Africa
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2008, 03:27:30 PM »
Good article! May be instead of food and medicine projects, there should be food, medicine and neutering project.

BTW the famine in Ethiopia was not affecting the whole country. Ethiopia has lush cultivated land rich of water in other regions of this country. But they didn't care enough to spare some food for starving people of different tribes, especially since they were rebelling against the government of Menegistu.

And some African countries are actually rich in per-capita terms. The outstanding example is Equatorial Guinea  which has the 3rd or 4th most highest GDP per-capita in the world.

Offline briann

  • Silver Star JTF Member
  • ********
  • Posts: 8038
  • Mmmm HMMMMM
Re: Check Out This Article on Africa
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2008, 03:30:42 PM »
.

And while we're on the subject of Africa, when Obama joined the white hating/America hating, pro-Islam Trinity church he took a vow to place "mother Africa" above all else. He vowed a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA. (see TUCC website)


YES.. THIS IS VERY SIGNIFICANT!!!!  I am convinced that he plans to open up our borders to Scumalis and all the horrific garbage that is already seaping into europe.   I am convinced... that he will grant 'refugee' status to all these subhuman america-hating Muslim African Garbage.


« Last Edit: July 17, 2008, 03:32:29 PM by briann »

Offline briann

  • Silver Star JTF Member
  • ********
  • Posts: 8038
  • Mmmm HMMMMM
Re: Check Out This Article on Africa
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2008, 03:35:47 PM »
Good article! May be instead of food and medicine projects, there should be food, medicine and neutering project.

BTW the famine in Ethiopia was not affecting the whole country. Ethiopia has lush cultivated land rich of water in other regions of this country. But they didn't care enough to spare some food for starving people of different tribes, especially since they were rebelling against the government of Menegistu.

And some African countries are actually rich in per-capita terms. The outstanding example is Equatorial Guinea  which has the 3rd or 4th most highest GDP per-capita in the world.

what????   

Here is the list of countries with the highest per capita GDP (In nominal terms)..

Flag of Liechtenstein Liechtenstein    —    N/A    —    N/A    1    106,082[5]
Flag of Luxembourg Luxembourg    1    104,673    1    99,879    2    104,452
Flag of Norway Norway    2    83,922    2    81,111    3    84,595
Flag of Qatar Qatar    3    72,849    —    N/A    4    83,152
Flag of Iceland Iceland    4    63,830    3    62,733    5    66,240
Flag of Ireland Ireland    5    59,924    4    58,399    6    62,934
Flag of Denmark Denmark    7    57,261    5    56,427    7    57,040
Flag of Switzerland Switzerland    6    58,084    6    55,035    8    56,111
Flag of Sweden Sweden    8    49,655    7    48,584    9    50,415
Flag of Finland Finland    9    46,602    8    46,515    10    46,769
Flag of the Netherlands Netherlands    10    46,261    9    46,041    11    46,389
Flag of the United States United States    11    45,845    10    45,790    12    45,959
Flag of the United Kingdom United Kingdom    12    45,575    12    44,693    13    45,626
Flag of Austria Austria    13    45,181    11    45,343    14    45,599
Flag of Kuwait Kuwait    23    33,634    —    N/A    15    44,421
Flag of Australia Australia    15    43,312    17    39,098    16    43,798
Flag of Belgium Belgium    17    42,557    13    42,213    17    43,648
Flag of Canada Canada    14    43,485    15    40,222    18    43,478
Flag of the United Arab Emirates United Arab Emirates    16    42,934    —    N/A    19    43,339
Flag of Germany Germany    19    40,415    16    40,079    20    40,315
Flag of France France    18    41,511    14    41,523    21    40,200
Flag of Italy Italy    20    35,872    18    35,494    22    36,201
Flag of Spain Spain    25    32,067    22    31,846    23    35,576
Flag of Singapore Singapore    21    35,163    19    35,160    24    35,427
Flag of Japan Japan    22    34,312    20    34,254    25    34,402
Flag of Brunei Brunei    24    32,167    —    N/A    26    33,077
Flag of New Zealand New Zealand    26    30,256    23    30,599    27    30,999
Flag of Greece Greece    27    28,273    21    32,166    28    29,385

Offline Zelhar

  • Honorable Winged Member
  • Gold Star JTF Member
  • *
  • Posts: 10678
Re: Check Out This Article on Africa
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2008, 04:24:18 PM »
Well I might have been wrong, this is what happens when you rely on wikipedia:

Quote
Despite a per capita GDP (PPP) of more than US$30,000[12] (CIA Factbook $50,200[13]) which is as of 2008 the ninth highest in the world, Equatorial Guinea ranks 121st out of 177 countries on the United Nations Human Development Index.

But this is very strange also, because I think there are other sources supporting this, for example if you query "what is the GDP per capita of equatorial guinea" in google you get as the first result:
Quote
Equatorial Guinea — GDP - Per Capita (PPP): $50,200 (2005 Est.)
According to http://www.insidecountryinfo.com/ek.php

Anyway, they are 500,000 people and they sell 360,000 oil barrels a day, which means, assuming they keep 50% of the sales, that from oil alone they have 21k per capita, which in ppp must be at list double that figure.
« Last Edit: July 17, 2008, 04:27:51 PM by Zelhar »

Offline briann

  • Silver Star JTF Member
  • ********
  • Posts: 8038
  • Mmmm HMMMMM
Re: Check Out This Article on Africa
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2008, 04:26:54 PM »
Well I might have been wrong, this is what happens when you rely on wikipedia:
Quote
Despite a per capita GDP (PPP) of more than US$30,000[12] (CIA Factbook $50,200[13]) which is as of 2008 the ninth highest in the world, Equatorial Guinea ranks 121st out of 177 countries on the United Nations Human Development Index.[/qoute]
But this is very strange also, because I think there are other sources supporting this, for example this source http://www.insidecountryinfo.com/ek.php states they had estimated GDP per capita of 50K$ in 2005.

There are conflicting details about this. If you query "what is the GDP per capita of equatorial guinea" in google you get as the first result:
Quote
Equatorial Guinea — GDP - Per Capita (PPP): $50,200 (2005 Est.)
According to http://www.insidecountryinfo.com/ek.php - More sources »

Anyway, they are 500,000 people and they sell 360,000 oil barrels a day, which means, assuming they keep 50% of the sales, that from oil alone they have 21k per capita, which in ppp must be at list double that figure.

Yes, on subjects that are controversial... its right about 40% of the time.




Online TruthSpreader

  • Honorable Winged Member
  • Silver Star JTF Member
  • *
  • Posts: 8751
    • http://www.youtube.com/user/WeThePeopleZeb
Re: Check Out This Article on Africa
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2008, 04:33:24 PM »
Well I might have been wrong, this is what happens when you rely on wikipedia:

Quote
Despite a per capita GDP (PPP) of more than US$30,000[12] (CIA Factbook $50,200[13]) which is as of 2008 the ninth highest in the world, Equatorial Guinea ranks 121st out of 177 countries on the United Nations Human Development Index.

But this is very strange also, because I think there are other sources supporting this, for example if you query "what is the GDP per capita of equatorial guinea" in google you get as the first result:
Quote
Equatorial Guinea — GDP - Per Capita (PPP): $50,200 (2005 Est.)
According to http://www.insidecountryinfo.com/ek.php

Anyway, they are 500,000 people and they sell 360,000 oil barrels a day, which means, assuming they keep 50% of the sales, that from oil alone they have 21k per capita, which in ppp must be at list double that figure.

Exactly. Equatorial Guinea may have a high GDP per capita. But that doesn't mean it's a rich nation. It is a very poor country. Most of its people are dirt-poor.

Dan - Stay calm and be brave in order to judge correctly and make the right decision