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Halliburton Confirms Concentration Camps Already Constructed
On February 17, 2006, in a speech to the Council on Foreign Relations, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld spoke of the harm being done to the country’s security, not just by the enemy, but also by what he called “news informers” who needed to be combated in “a contest of wills.”
In 2002 Attorney General John Ashcroft announced his desire to see camps for U.S. citizens deemed to be “enemy combatants.”
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A Defense Department document, entitled the “Strategy for Homeland Defense and Civil Support,” has set out a military strategy against terrorism that envisions an “active, layered defense” both inside and outside U.S. territory. In the document, the Pentagon pledges to “transform U.S. military forces to execute homeland defense missions in the . . . U.S. homeland.” The strategy calls for increased military reconnaissance and surveillance.

The Washington Post reported on February 15, 2006 that the National Counterterrorism Center’s (NCTC) central repository holds the names of 325,000 terrorist suspects, a fourfold increase since fall of 2003.  A Pentagon official said the Counterintelligence Field Activity’s TALON program has amassed files on antiwar protesters.

Shortly after Bush orchestrated 9/11, he issued "Military Order Number One", which empowered him to detain any noncitizen as an international terrorist or enemy combatant. Today that order extends to U.S. citizens as well.
 
Halliburton subsidiary "KBR has been awarded a contract announced by the Department of Homeland Security’s United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) component. The Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity contingency contract is to support ICE facilities and has a maximum total value of $385 million over a five year term. The contract provides for establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the United States, or to support the rapid development of new programs".   See Source Document on Halliburton Site or page 1, & 5 below
HOUSTON, Texas – Halliburton (NYSE:HAL) announced that income from continuing operations for the full year of 2005 was $2.4 billion.  Consolidated revenue in the fourth quarter of 2005 was $5.8 billion. Consolidated operating income was $779 million in the fourth quarter of 2005.  This increase was largely attributable to higher activity in the Energy Services Group (ESG), partially offset by lower revenue in KBR primarily on government services projects in the Middle East. Annual operating income more than tripled to $2.7 billion in 2005.



Why exactly are prisons being built for "the rapid development of new programs".  Halliburton's company site confirms that the government is engaged in a massive construction and preparation exercise to build concentration camps and prisoner processing facilities in the United States.  This is particularity astonishing and disturbing considering that the U.S. already incarcerates more orders  of magnitude more people than any other nation, about on-par with U.S.S.R. at the height of Stalin's era.

The contract of the Halliburton subsidiary KBR to build immigrant detention facilities is part of a longer-term Homeland Security plan titled ENDGAME, which sets as its goal the removal of “all removable aliens” and “potential terrorists.” In the 1980s Richard Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld discussed similar emergency detention powers as part of a super-secret program of planning for what was euphemistically called “Continuity of Government” (COG). These men planned for suspension of the Constitution, not just after nuclear attack, but for any “national security emergency,” which they vaguely defined in Executive Order 12656 of 1988.

Over 800 concentration camps are reported throughout the United States, all fully operational and ready to receive U.S. Prisoners who disagree with the government.  The concentration camps are all staffed and manned by full-time guards, however, they are all empty. These camps are to be operated by FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) when Martial Law is implemented in the United States (at the stroke of a Presidential pen and the Attorney General's signature on a warrant).

The camps have railroad facilities as well as roads leading to and from the detention facilities, many have airports.  Like Auschwitz, some of the camps have airtight buildings and furnaces. The majority of the camps can each house a population of 20,000 prisoners. Currently, the largest of these facilities is just outside of Fairbanks, Alaska. The Alaskan facility is a massive "mental health" facility and can hold approximately 2 million people.

Following the Halliburton subsidiary KBR (formerly Kellogg Brown and Root) announcement on Jan. 24 that it had been awarded a $385 million contingency contract by the Department of Homeland Security to build detention camps, two weeks later, on Feb. 6, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff announced that the Fiscal Year 2007 federal budget would allocate over $400 million to add 6,700 additional detention beds (an increase of 32 percent over 2006.  What is interesting in the Homeland Security plan is that each concrete prison bed costs $60,000 per bed!  Observing these concentration camps and general jail and prison facilities throughout the U.S., the Homeland Security plan is clearly buffered to build significantly more than 6,700 additional beds.
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Maps Indicating Locations of Concentration Camps Throughout U.S. Click on maps for list of locations and videos.


 

See Army Regulation 210–35 Civilian Inmate Labor Program: Confirming the government and the Army's plans for U.S. based Concentration Camps:
 

"Oh, ALL OF US in the CIA know ALL ABOUT the concentration camps in America and their purpose! We ALL KNOW that their purpose is to TERMINATE 'RESISTERS OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER' UNDER MARTIAL LAW!" - Michael Maholy, 20 years Naval Intelligence/CIA under BUSH SR)

Former Inspector for Joint Chiefs of Staff explains how U.S. Citizens will be rounded up and sent to death camps.  The plans and camps mirror Hitler's SS plans and implementations, correlating with the strong ties between the Bush's and Hitler.

Military Commissions Act
The enactment of concentration camps in the U.S. and the ability of the President to throw whoever he wants in the camps without question.  This act is one of the most extraordinarily outrageous attempts to pass unconstitutional law and is the greatest assault on the U.S. Constitution imaginable.  All involved in the commission of this unlawful act have committed high treason against the U.S.A. and should immediately be prosecuted.

In yet another astonishingly treasonous act the U.S. administration has eliminated yet another key check to control out of control government, the 1878 Posse Comitatus Act. 

The  Posse Comitatus Act which abolished the use of the U.S. military against our own citizens since 1878 has also been wiped out.  This act which protected citizens through WWI, WWII, the Vietnam War, the Korean War and the Great Depression is considered by the current administration as unnecessary and a hindrance to the government's ability to prosecute inside the U.S.  This is particularly chilling read more at this link: Military vs. Citizens

See March 24, 1997, letter from Congressman Bill Hefner confirming the U.S. Concentration Camps:
 
“Enclosed is the information you requested pertaining to the Army’s policy and guidance for establishing civilian inmate labor program and civilian prison camps on Army installations. This information has not yet been published (it is currently at the printers), however, it has been funded, staffed, and does reflect current Army policy. I home you find this information useful."

Military Attack On Internet

Concentration Camp Rail Car:
FEMA ordered 107,200 'AutoMax' prison cars from Gunderson Steel modified from original FEMA design to carry automobiles. They apparently wanted people to become accustomed to seeing these railcars so they would just think they were hauling autos.

Temporary Prison Construction Modules:
 
The Homeland Security $400 million allocation is more than a four-fold increase over the FY 2006 budget, which provided $90 million for the same purpose. Both the contract and the budget allocation are in partial fulfillment of an ambitious 10-year Homeland Security strategic plan, code-named ENDGAME, authorized in 2003. According to a 49-page Homeland Security document on the plan, ENDGAME expands "a mission first articulated in the Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798." Its goal is the capability to "remove all removable aliens," including "illegal economic migrants, aliens who have committed criminal acts, asylum-seekers (required to be retained by law) or potential terrorists."  The government's definition of an enemy combatant covers almost any individual who promotes the rudimentary rights guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution.

Readiness Exercise 1984 - Rex 84
Rex 84 is a United States federal government program to test their ability to detain large numbers of American citizens. Exercises similar to Rex 84 happen periodically. From 1967 to 1971 the FBI kept a list of persons to be rounded up as subversive, dubbed the "ADEX" list.

Texas Congressman Henry Gonzales revealed many years ago plans of Rex 84 which former colonel Ollie North helped design. The late Representative Jack Brooks also of Texas brought this concentration camp and internment program as well as the Continuity of Government Program to light during the Iran Contra hearing. The chairman refused to let North even talk about them in open hearings under “National Security.” Mr. Gonzales stated these camps and plans were for the detention of AMERICANS, especially those who refused to surrender their weapons.

The Rex-84 Alpha Explan (Readiness Exercise 1984, Exercise Plan), indicates that FEMA in association with 34 other federal civil departments and agencies conducted a civil readiness exercise during April 5-13, 1984. It was conducted in coordination and simultaneously with a Joint Chiefs exercise, Night Train 84, a worldwide military command post exercise (including Continental U.S. Forces or CONUS) based on multi-emergency scenarios operating both abroad and at home. In the combined exercise, Rex-84 Bravo, FEMA and DOD led the other federal agencies and departments, including the Central Intelligence Agency, the Secret Service, the Treasury, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the Veterans Administration through a gaming exercise to test military assistance in ;civil defense'.

Red/Blue - many camps like the Nazi extermination camps have Red/Blue lines:
Red List - People on the Red List will be immediately exterminated, these are enemies of the New World Order who are in leadership or public positions.  Mirroring the strategy employed in Nazi Germany, two weeks before instituting Martial Law, these people will be dragged from their homes in the middle of the night and flown to FIMA camps to be exterminated.

Blue List - Also enemies of the NWO but not necessarily leaders.  These people will be rounded up after the imposition of martial law and will be "re-programmed" in the concentration camps where they will also be used for slave labor.  Most will not survive.

Yellow List - these are people who are ignorant and do not care about the NWO who are likely to do whatever they are ordered to do.

Former inspector for the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Department of Defense. Mr. Sea elaborates on the 'RED and BLUE Lists' and what they mean:

The RED List is for pick-up and execution before unobtrusive preparations for martial law are initiated. The BLUE List is also for execution, but later, within 6 weeks of martial law declaration. When you get picked up on a RED pick-up, they'll take you from your home at night, probably around 4 am and put you in a black van, then drive you to a helicopter waiting to fly you to an intermediate point. There, you'll be loaded onto a big 64-passenger CH-47 Chinook helicopter and fly you to one of 38 cities where you'll board a 747, 737, or 727. You may be taken straight to a red camp and executed. At some point, martial law will be declared. Martial law is when the writ of Habeas Corpus to have a trial by jury is suspended. Instead, of going to the judge, you go straight to jail. At this point, the BLUE listed people will be picked up. At that time, the country will be regionalized into ten regions, which are already designated by FEMA.

The black choppers have state-of-the-art radio (RF) frequency wideband jammers, and can jam cell phones and CBs while they're executing black operations missions. This means that your cell phone could be jammed just before and/or during any action against you. In June of 1996, an FBI agent got hold of the Region Three BLUE List (from a CIA agent), and found his own name on it, and those of several others he knew in Virginia. The Regional BLUE List stated that the names on the BLUE List would be picked up 'within six weeks of the actual martial law declaration.' It will work if the 300,000 Soviet troops which are ALREADY HERE can get the guns.

The ones doing all of this are operating out of the highest places in the Federal Government. They're cooperating with spirit guides and mediums and using astrology and numerology. The spirit guides are telling them what to do, and the entire thing is being orchestrated at the highest spiritual levels. Every base has been covered. They've thought of everything. They often do things on the 13th of the month. Mr. Clinton does a lot of things on the 13th. On September 13, 1993, the Satanic Oslo Israel-PLO 'peace' accord was signed. Amos 3:7 says that God doesn't do anything without first revealing His secrets to His servants the prophets. God is giving His people warnings. If we'll listen to God, He is warning us of the times that are coming.

We need to prepare. There will be an interim of probably just days from the time they launch the RED List, to the declaration of martial law, when they'll start coming after those on the BLUE List. It's the same blueprint being used because it's the same spirit leading the Fourth Reich as led the Third Reich. In Germany, they used trains, here it will be helicopters and 747s. They are now in the process of villainizing Christians, Patriots, Constitutionalists, and outspoken talk-show hosts, HERE IN AMERIKKKA!

Who will be doing the actual picking up? Foreign UN cops, probably Muslims or communists. Over 30 foreign military bases under the United Nations flag are already set up in the USA . These bases are already manned with over ONE MILLION troops from Russia, Poland, Germany, Belgium, Turkey, Great Britain, Nicaragua, and Asian countries. They will have no qualms about firing on U.S. citizens. There are Russian tanks, military trucks and chemical warfare vehicles outside Gulfport, Mississippi. Hello? That was hit by Katrina in 2005. Anyone see heavy military equipment and foreign troops near San Francisco?

The Illuminati plan way ahead! There's not going to be some future event when the invading troops are going to show up. They're already here. When martial law is implemented, these foreign U.N. troops will be policing our country, carrying out the plans of the New World Order. God is warning His people. There isn't much time before these events begin to take place. God's people need to prepare themselves in every way possible. It's not a time for fear. It's a time for prayer, preparation and sharing our faith with a lost world.

Apparently all nature contingencies are being
taken care of.  Photographers snapped pictures
of an estimated half a million plastic coffins:



These plans are similar in many ways to Hitler and Stalin's plans who all have generally the same financial backers, the owners of our Federal Reserve Bank, or the occult practicing 'New World Order'.

Clearly Presidential Executive Orders primarily from FDR and Bush Jr., which are blatantly treasonous in form, have been laying the groundwork for this Fascist Socialist takeover: Executive Order Treason
 Many Traditional Concentration Camp Facilities Clearly Intend To Operate In Similar Fissions To WWII Camps:


See Also: 

International Monetary Fund & Nazi's
Congressman McFadden
Fed Bank Evil Root?
Fed Instability
Bank for International Settlement
Security Exchange Act
Socialist Fascism
US World Dominance Plan
How FDR Made the Depression Worse
Franklin D Roseveldt
Prison Population
U.S. Concentration Camps
Reason U.S. Is Prison Capital
 
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Re: Post for Nik and MassuhD - If only part is true it is very scary!!!
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2008, 05:51:40 PM »
Oy,

the america haters are out in force these days... What are you guys doing here? What are you trying to accomplish?

Get a job...

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Re: Post for Nik and MassuhD - If only part is true it is very scary!!!
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2008, 05:52:46 PM »
Lately the JTF is resembling X-Files more than a real political issues forum...

What can we do? something must change...

muman613

PS: Oh no.... Their coming to get me.... Fer chrissake!
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: Post for Nik and MassuhD - If only part is true it is very scary!!!
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2008, 05:54:18 PM »
Muman, lighten up just a little. A little humor every now and then helps offset the stress of living in the world of today. ^-^
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Re: Post for Nik and MassuhD - If only part is true it is very scary!!!
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2008, 07:13:08 PM »
Shamgar, do you have a link to where you found this article?

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Re: Post for Nik and MassuhD - If only part is true it is very scary!!!
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2008, 07:49:29 PM »


Yes sorry, I should have put the link in.
http://www.libertyforlife.com/jail-police/us_concentration_camps.htm

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 For I know well the plans I have in mind for you, says the LRD, plans for your welfare, not for woe! plans to give you a future full of hope.
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Re: Post for Nik and MassuhD - If only part is true it is very scary!!!
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2008, 08:00:45 PM »
Thanks for the link, Paulette, even though this is very, very, old news.

Regardless, many people refuse to even read a website or news article if it upsets their "preconceived" world view.

Their credo seems to be:
"Whatever I consider upsetting, is a lie."...
"Therefore I refuse to watch it, read it, or hear it, because it's a lie, and lies upset me."...
"Therefore, it has to be a lie, because I don't believe it."

Truly amazing how widespread this malady is across America today.

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Re: Post for Nik and MassuhD - If only part is true it is very scary!!!
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2008, 08:12:51 PM »
Thanks for the link, Paulette, even though this is very, very, old news.

Regardless, many people refuse to even read a website or news article if it upsets their "preconceived" world view.

Their credo seems to be:
"Whatever I consider upsetting, is a lie."...
"Therefore I refuse to watch it, read it, or hear it, because it's a lie, and lies upset me."...
"Therefore, it has to be a lie, because I don't believe it."

Truly amazing how widespread this malady is across America today.

 

  I just want America BACK Massuh - I dont discount these things, that nik says- I do read them- I just want to look at the outcome and big picture. And even though these words are old, they are everlasting.
After I had my HUGE GIGANTIC surgery, I tend to look for the better, because my life was filled with doom, always, and HaShem has seen me through ALL of this. I am not defaming Nik, quite the contrary- I just hope for the outcome.
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Re: Post for Nik and MassuhD - If only part is true it is very scary!!!
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2008, 09:20:28 PM »
The problem with these sites are they always have Israel and Jewish organazations in leading positions           



http://www.libertyforlife.com/military-war/another_911_waiting_to_happen.htm   










Another 9/11 waiting to happen Wayne Madsen?
Wayne Madsen Report June 16, 2008

Roland "Tony" Carnaby, the one-time CIA station chief for the Southeast Region slain by Houston police on April 29, was an advocate of increasing "HUMINT" resources in and around the sprawling Houston port complex, from Houston to Galveston. Houston is the largest port in the United States for foreign tonnage.

Carnaby had in his possession the morning of April 29 information that someone wanted and wanted badly enough to order the Houston police to treat the well-known former CIA clandestine agent and president of the local chapter of the Association for Intelligence Officers (AFIO) as a dangerous armed criminal. After an extensive investigation, WMR has learned that those who ordered the "hit" on Carnaby were part of a team, including smugglers tied to the Russian-Israeli mob, who were involved in terrorist planning activities in the greater Houston area.
Carnaby and his intelligence and federal and county law enforcement associates were concerned about the potential for a "9/11-like" false flag attack on either Houston's port facility, airports, or all of them in and around the Memorial Day and Independence Day weekends.

WMR has learned that at a meeting of tugboat captains last week in Houston, the possibility of an imminent terrorist attack on the Houston port was discussed.

Carnaby's belief in HUMINT as a determinant of terrorist plans likely caused him to believe that Houston was in imminent danger for an attack. WMR spoke to Carnaby's intelligence and law enforcement colleagues who share his concerns. Suspiciously, the Houston police, in violation of US Judge Keith Ellison's order to preserve all evidence related to Carnaby's shooting by the Houston police, admitted that it disposed of the evidence. Moreover, after having secured Carnaby's Blackberry, which is known to contain contact numbers for CIA and other federal agents, as well as their informants, was returned to the custody of the Houston police by Secret Service Special Agent R. Jennings, the reported SAC (Special Agent in Charge) of the Houston office.

Jennings has been accused by Carnaby's colleagues of cooperating with the very same elements, including individuals connected to Israeli intelligence activities in the Houston area and their well-placed moles inside the Houston Police Department, who wanted access to Carnaby's contacts and other information. The compromise of Carnaby's information represents a potentially devastating compromise of national security and are in direct violation of the National Security Act of 1947, according to Carnaby's colleagues.

It still remains unknown what happened to Carnaby's Mac laptop computer as well as a number of other cell phones, including an I-Phone and a Bang and Olufsen mobile phone in Carnaby's possession at the time of his shooting. Carnaby's colleagues revealed that Carnaby possessed a number of cell phones because some were dedicated to activating video and camera systems placed in strategic locations in and around Houston's ports and airports and downloading images to his phones and eventually to his laptop. At least three phones in Carnaby's possession on the morning of April 29 were used to activate cameras and download photos and videos from sites in and around Houston. One mobile phone number was reportedly used for this surveillance activity -- 713 208-0000.

On May 16, 2008, WMR reported: "The CIA was concerned that details of Carnaby's classified and covert work for the CIA in the Port of Houston, as well as his non-official cover Carnaby Shipping Company Ltd. and American Global Enterprise contacts in the United States and Lebanon may have been compromised to Israeli Mossad agents who have infiltrated the Houston Police Department primarily through blackmail techniques. The Israeli Consulate General in Houston is reportedly at the center of the Israeli influence and intelligence ring in the fourth largest city in America and the home to the largest port for imports in the United States."

The evening before Carnaby was shot, a man approached Carnaby and two friends at Houston's Capital Grille, a favorite meeting spot for Houston's business elite. A man, pretending to be inebriated, went up to Carnaby and acted as though he was an old friend. He was carrying an open bag, the type in which "to go" food orders are usually placed. Carnaby reportedly reached for his concealed handgun and told the man he had never seen him or met him before. The man apologized, quickly left the restaurant, and drove off in a car with diplomatic license plates. Carnaby's associates now believe the man was assigned to the Israeli Consulate General in Houston.
The I-Phone and Mac in Carnaby's possession were officially owned by American Global Enterprise. Carnaby's American Global cover firm operated a warehouse in the Houston port area, a reported center from which traffic from the port into Mexico and outbound via the ship channel was monitored. The actual security for the Port of Houston is maintained not by the Houston Police Department but by the Harris County Sheriff. The jurisdictional problems affected Carnaby's relationship with both agencies. Whereas the Harris County Sheriff's office was usually cooperative, the Houston Police was generally not as willing to work on increasing the security of the port.

Carnaby's fear about lax port security was borne out when this editor easily gained access through the main gate into the Port of Houston in a rental car. Although containers in bound and out bound from the port are x-rayed and checked for radioactive materials, the overall security is poor and that prompted Carnaby into calling for a better HUMINT program. However, better HUMINT would also result in the arms, drugs, and auto theft activities of the Russian-Israeli mob, Israeli intelligence assets, and their allies in the pro-Mojahedin e Khalq (MEK) Iranian expatriate community in Houston being identified by federal authorities.

For example, WMR learned from US intelligence and customs agents that the 1998 terrorist bombings of the US embassies in Nairobi, Kenya and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania had a Houston connections. The terrorist attacks were blamed on Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda. The two trucks used in the two East Africa bombings were stolen vehicles that were shipped from Houston via Guatemala. In addition, the bombs used passed though the same Guatemalan smuggling route. In 1998, Israel's Mossad and Guatemala's intelligence services continued to enjoy a close relationship and the Central American nation's successive military juntas could count on the support of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) and other Israeli lobbying organizations in Washington.

Carnaby also had under surveillance a widespread vehicle smuggling ring that operated out of Houston, location of one of the largest vehicle import port facilities in the United States. One of Carnaby's law enforcement colleagues revealed that a network of body shops in Houston have been used to strip and smuggle stolen vehicles out of the United States, mostly to Mexico. Some of the theft operations operate under cover of "import-export" businesses and one operation has laundered $250 million in proceeds from the vehicle thefts. These illegal enterprises have been linked to Middle East expatriates linked to Israeli intelligence operations, including the Iranian MEK terrorist group and far right Lebanese Phalangists allied with Israel who are supported by the Israeli Lobby in Washington.

One of WMR's colleagues, German journalist Jurgen Cain Kulbel, has been imprisoned in Berlin for reporting that the UN chief investigator of the assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri, Detlev Mehlis, was once employed by the Israeli intelligence front organization, Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP). Mehlis steered UN investigators away from the real assassins of Hariri, Israeli intelligence who hired a number of rogue agents from Syrian intelligence, Lebanon's Druze and Christian Phalangist communities, and Palestinian refugees. Kulbel's imprisonment is a direct result of pressure from Washington and Jerusalem on the German government.
Some of Carnaby's associates were also critical of the security contract for the Houston that involved ex-British commando Tim Spicer, whose Aegis Defense Services, the recipient of a number of private military contracts from the Defense Department and the former U.S.-run Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq. Spicer, in 2002, managed to convince Per Christiansen, a retired Norwegian naval officer whose Hudson Maritime won a Homeland Security Department to secure various American ports, including Houston, to bring him on as a partner. Thus was born Hudson Trident (the Trident being Spicer's interest in the firm). However, Spicer's work on Houston's port security was soon criticized by the government, including Carnaby and his associates. Spicer, who had previously received a port security contract in Haiti around the time of the U.S.-sponsored coup against democratically-elected President Jean-Bertrand Aristide, a coup that saw a number of weapons enter Haiti's ports illegally. Spicer's lack of performance on the Houston port security contract soon saw him lose out on similar port contracts for Morocco and Chittagong, Bangladesh, according to sources with whom WMR spoke in Houston. A U.S. intelligence source in Houston said, "Spicer [censored] up the ship channel contract," adding, "this guy merely did plausible deniability work for MI6 and MI5," Britain's foreign and domestic intelligence services, respectively.

It is clear that a number of Carnaby and his intelligence colleagues are skeptical about the "official version" of 9/11 and fear another such attack, possibly during the upcoming Fourth of July holiday. WMR can also report that a close friend of former President George H. W. Bush has taken a keen and supportive interest in our reports on the Carnaby shooting. Bush is the honorary president of the Houston William Buckley Chapter of AFIO, for which Carnaby served as president at the time of his death. Carnaby was also close to the former President, who has reportedly been outraged at the wanton killing of his friend. Carnaby was also reportedly close to Republican presidential candidate John McCain, who has made no public comment on the death of Carnaby.

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Note: It is clear that WMR's reporting on the Carnaby shooting is irritating certain "quarters," also known as the "usual suspects" and the "amen corner." WMR's contacts with Carnaby's friends has resulted in a number of other doors on "cold cases" being opened. They extend from Dallas in November 1963, to the fate of the US merchant vessel "SS Poet" in 1980, Mena, Arkansas and Nicaraguan contra drug smuggling in the 1980s, and the back doors used to corrupt the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) and North American Defense Command (NORAD) computers and networks on the morning of 9/11. WMR will continue to report on these and other stories regardless of the pressure that is being exerted, mostly not from the right-wing but from the usual "left-wing" gatekeepers and their dubious web sites. The very same gatekeepers who have been keeping the wool over the eyes of the American people, most notably, since the events of 9/11.
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Re: Post for Nik and MassuhD - If only part is true it is very scary!!!
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They Stop A Nuclear Holocaust?
When the 6 Nuclear weapons went missing, breaking 60 years of stringent control and protocol, it was a few brave soldiers who blew the whistle and serious criminal actions by their authorities. Five of the Nuke's were destined for the middle east, one was assumed destined for some U.S. city to create a new 9/11.  Bush/Cheney have stated they plan to nuke Iran and steal their oil.  These brave soldiers who blew the whistle are dead:

Airman First Class Todd Blue, 20 years old, died Wyethville, Virginia, September 12
Two people from Barksdale Air Force Base, died Caddo Parish, Louisiana, September 15
Airman Adam Barrs, aged 20, killed in an auto crash in Minot, July 5
Air Force 1st Lt. Weston Kissel, 28, B-52 pilot assigned to the 23rd Bomb Wing at the Minot base, killed in a motorcycle crash in Tennessee
Air Force Capt. John Frueh, found dead in Skamania County, Washington state, September 2
Six were murdered, yet they stopped the death of millions of innocent people.  They are our hero's.  We salute you.

SEE: U.S. Bio-Weapons The New Threat!  Are these insane banksters and politicians now planning a new biological warfare attack.  Is that what is behind the "apple moth" spraying over areas in Santa Cruz, Monterey and San Francisco?  Are these mad men preparing victims to be susceptible to biological weapons of their choice?

Air Force official fired after 6 nukes fly over U.S. B-52 bomber, accidentally armed with warheads, went over several states
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20427730/?GT1=10357

Updated: 11:43 a.m. PT Sept 5, 2007 WASHINGTON -
A B-52 bomber was mistakenly armed with six nuclear warheads and flown for more than three hours across several states last week, prompting an Air Force investigation and the firing of one commander, Pentagon officials said Wednesday.

Rep. Ike Skelton, chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, called the mishandling of the weapons “deeply disturbing” and said the committee would press the military for details. Rep. Edward J. Markey, a senior member of the Homeland Security committee, said it was “absolutely inexcusable.”

“Nothing like this has ever been reported before and we have been assured for decades that it was impossible,” said Markey, D-Mass., co-chair of the House task force on nonproliferation.

The plane was carrying Advanced Cruise Missiles from Minot Air Force Base, N.D, to Barksdale Air Force Base, La., on Aug. 30, said the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of a Defense Department policy not to confirm information on nuclear weapons.

The missiles, which are being decommissioned, were mounted onto pylons on the bomber’s wings and it is unclear why the warheads had not been removed beforehand. Earlier, the Associated Press erroneously reported the bomber was armed with only five warheads.

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The Kennebunkport Warning And The Rogue B-52 - Confirmation With A Vengeance
By Webster G. Tarpley 10- 8 -7  http://www.rense.com/general78/kene.htm

The events of August and September 2007 now allow us to evaluate the accuracy of the August 26 Kennebunkport Warning, which generated much attention and controversy from the moment it was issued. The preliminary verdict of history is now in, and establishes the Kennebunkport Warning as one of the most remarkable successes of open source intelligence forecasting in recent decades. It may even have directly helped to disrupt Cheney's plan for a nuclear sneak attack on Iran.


The Kennebunkport Warning was written in the afternoon of August 24, 2007. Support signatures were obtained in Kennebunkport, Maine later on August 24, and primarily on August 25. The document was sent out to a list of recipients in the US and abroad just before midnight eastern time on Sunday, August 26. The first known internet posting was on the Jeff Rense web site (www.rense.com), where the document appeared before midnight Pacific time on Sunday, August 26. The Kennebunkport Warning was thus in public view all day on Monday, August 27.


On Tuesday, August 28, Bush signaled an escalation of tensions with Iran in a raving speech before the American Legion convention in Kansas. Here he warned that the Middle East now lay in the shadow of a "nuclear holocaust" because of the Iranian nuclear program. He accused Iran of acting as a state sponsor of terrorism, intervening against the US forces in Iraq, and also made allegations about Iran as a backer of Hezbollah and Hamas. Diplomatic observers recognized that this tirade constituted an important intensification of US threats against Iran.


On Wednesday, August 29, Bush's threats moved a step towards fulfillment as US Air Force personnel loaded six cruise missiles onto the wing mounts of a B-52 intercontinental strategic bomber at Minot Air Force Base in North Dakota. Each of the missiles carried a nuclear warhead of between 5 and 150 kilotons of explosive power. Reportedly because of mechanical problems, the loading process took some 8 hours.


On Thursday, August 30, the rogue B-52, with its cargo of six deadly nuclear-armed cruise missiles, made the 3.5 hour flight across the US to Barksdale, Louisiana. Barksdale is the number two US headquarters for nuclear warfighting, second only to Offutt AFB in Nebraska. Barksdale is also the jumping-off base for direct B-52 bombing runs into the Middle East, a role which Barksdale played in the shock and awe campaign in Iraq in the spring of 2003. By the time the rogue B-52 reached Barksdale, cataclysmic events were not far off. This was exactly the kind of situation which the Kennebunkport Warning, which by that time had been circulating on the internet for about three and a half days, had been concerned about.


At around this time, the rogue B-52 and its cargo appear to have come to a halt. Between the late afternoon of August 30 and the public announcement of the rogue B-52 incident on the afternoon of September 5, we enter a gray area which requires much further investigation. According to Wayne Madsen, it was a "revolt and push-back" by Air Force personnel determined to block a wider war in the Middle East from being set off by a nuclear sneak attack, with support from elements of the intelligence community, which blocked the rogue B-52 from proceeding towards a possible appointment with Armageddon in Iran or elsewhere in that region. This was exactly the case of loyal and patriotic military people refusing to obey an illegal order which the Kennebunkport Warning had pointed to less than four days earlier. As Madsen writes: "elements of the Air Force, supported by US intelligence agency personnel, successfully revealed the ultimate destination of the nuclear weapons and the mission was aborted due to internal opposition within the Air Force and the US Intelligence Community." ("Air Force Refused to Fly Weapons to Middle East Theater," September 24, 2007, Wayne Madsen Report.)


The Kennebunkport Warning thus represents an exceptionally successful effort to alert public opinion to a grave and imminent danger. Precisely the dangerous situation the Kennebunkport Warning talked about occurred in reality less than four days after the document had been posted on the internet. The Kennebunkport Warning must be acknowledged as accurate, timely, necessary, and indispensable for anyone seriously interested in stopping a wider war with irreversible consequences.


On July 21, rense.com posted an analysis entitled "Cheney Determined to Strike in US with WMD This Summer." This article was published as the front page story of the Rock Creek Free Press, and was displayed in news boxes in the Washington DC subway during August and into September. With the exposure of the rogue B-52 affair, this warning was also fully vindicated.


But there may be a further dimension. It cannot be excluded that the loyal and patriotic military and intelligence people who blocked the plan of the Cheney clique to use the nuclear cruise missiles in the Middle East, or even against a target or targets in the United States, had some how been encouraged to act by having seen the Kennebunkport Warning. The period of August 30 to September 5, when the crucial actions regarding the rogue B-52 would have had to occur, corresponds precisely to the maximum diffusion of the Kennebunkport Warning on the internet. On September 1, a Google search indicated that the Kennebunkport Warning was either posted in full or was mentioned on 72,000 web sites worldwide. By September 2, this figure had risen to 102,000 web sites. On September 3, the maximum diffusion of 110,000 web sites was attained. These figures do not include e-mailings and other forms of attention generated by the vast interest and lively controversy generated by the document. In any case, those who stopped the nukes from going to the Middle East are unsung heroes who deserve recognition.


On September 5, the US Air Force made a public announcement of the rogue B-52, which is quickly the subject of dispatches by Agence France Presse, The Army Times, The Air Force Times, and other wire services and web sites. Considerable press interest was generated, but, so far as is known, not one member of Congress or presidential candidate of either major party has lifted a finger to start the obviously imperative in-depth investigation of the entire incident, including the half-dozen deaths which may be a result of this incident. These deaths include:


Airman First Class Todd Blue, 20 years old, died Wyethville, Virginia, September 12


Two people from Barksdale Air Force Base (names unknown), died Caddo Parish, Louisiana, September 15


Airman Adam Barrs, aged 20, killed in an auto crash in Minot, July 5


Air Force 1st Lt. Weston Kissel, 28, B-52 pilot assigned to the 23rd Bomb Wing at the Minot base, killed in a motorcycle crash in Tennessee (date unknown)


Air Force Capt. John Frueh (age unknown), found dead in Skamania County, Washington state, September 2


On September 6, the Syrian News Agency SANA announced that the Israeli Air Force had mounted an incursion into the air space of northern Syria, and had jettisoned drop tanks and bombs along the Syrian-Turkish border. The Turkish Foreign Ministry protested the objects that had fallen on Turkish territory. The Israelis first denied, but later admitted, that this illegal incursion, an ipso facto act of aggressive war, had taken place. Middle East experts estimated that the Israelis had been probing the Syrian and Iranian air defenses, but that they had been driven off by the new and superior Russian air defense systems now fielded by these two countries. This meant that the US-UK-Israeli model of air blitzkrieg was now in crisis, just as the Israeli land blitzkrieg technique had been defeated by Hezbollah in Lebanon in the summer of 2006. To cover up this humiliating defeat, the Israelis later concocted a story that this had been a successful air attack on a nuclear facility operating in Syria with North Korean assistance; this silly tale was then retailed by neocon John Bolton and also by warmonger Democrat Hillary Clinton in a candidates' debate. But any bombing of a nuclear facility would have had to produce a cloud of radioactive nuclear debris, which would have been registered by Iran, Pakistan, India, Russia, China, Japan, or some other state in the region. Since no such reports have ever come to light, it must be assumed that the Israeli story was fabricated in an attempt to cover up the repulse of the Israeli jets.


According to Madsen, the rogue B-52's cruise missiles were very likely linked to the Israeli sneak attack: "WMR has learned that a US attack on Iran using nuclear and conventional weapons was scheduled to coincide with Israel's September 6 air attack on a reputed Syrian nuclear facility in Dayr-az-Zwar, near the village of Tal Abyad, in northern Syria, near the Turkish border. Israel's attack, code named OPERATION ORCHARD, was to provide a reason for the US to strike Iran."



On Friday, September 7, Joseph Cirincione is interviewed on the Bill Press morning show on Air America. Cirincione argues that transporting nuclear missiles by air is an exceedingly rare occurrence. It emerges that the US Air Force officially ceased air transport of nuclear weapons around 1968, partly as a result of crashes and lost bombs in the US, Spain, and elsewhere.


Shortly after this, the US Air Force announced a highly unusual stand-down of the entire USAF for Friday, September 14. The announced goal was to have all units at all levels review operating procedures and safeguards having to do with the handling of nuclear weapons.


On Sunday, September 23, the Washington Post published a front page article above the fold which offered a sanitized version of the rogue B-52 story. Even in this sanitized form, an article of this sort would normally have been enough to trigger a congressional investigation, with hearings and witnesses subpoenaed to testify under oath. But the Democratic leadership has done nothing to force such a probe ­ meaning in effect that the Cheney clique has paid no real price for an attempt to start a nuclear war! This active complicity of the Democratic Party in war and genocide, typified by the neocon-warmonger candidacy of Mrs. Clinton (the new Thatcher) mightily encourages the Cheney clique to have another go at World War III.


On Monday, September 24, Wayne Madsen Report posted a story which concluded that "the B-52 transporting six stealth AGM-129 Advanced Cruise Missiles, each armed with a W-80-1 nuclear warhead, on August 30, was destined for the Middle East via Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana. [] It is now apparent that the command and control breakdown, reported as a BENT SPEAR incident to the Secretary of Defense and White House, was not the result of command and control chain-of-command 'failures,' but the result of a revolt and push back by various echelons within the Air Force and intelligence agencies against a planned US attack on Iran using nuclear weapons."


This report does not however mention the possibility that one or more of the cruise missiles was destined to be used against an American city, as prescribed by the Cheney Doctrine. A stealth cruise missile fired at night would be almost undetectable; all the public would see would be a nuclear fireball. Predictably, the target city would be swarming with patsies and dupes carrying large suitcases or trunks with "Al Qaeda" or "Osama Bin Laden" monograms. At that point, Cheney would have the "suitcase bomb" pretext he so ardently desires. Madsen also does not discuss the half-dozen people connected to the Minot or Barksdale Air Bases who had perished under mysterious circumstances between July and September 2007. But Madsen does stress one critical fact: according to reliable sources, one of the six nuclear-armed cruise missiles was reported missing in the course of the incident, and there was some indication that it was never found: "WMR has been informed by a knowledgeable source that one of the six nuclear-armed cruise missiles was, and still may be, unaccounted for. In that case, the nuclear reporting incident would have gone far beyond BENT SPEAR to a National Command Authority alert known as EMPTY QUIVER, with the special classification of PINNACLE."


On October 2, David Swanson, an early critic of the Kennebunkport Warning, issued a statement on Iran entitled "Leading Americans," with the signatures of a number of well-known personalities from politics, entertainment, and the arts. This belated statement is of course to be welcomed, but at the same time its weakness and narrowness, especially if compared to the Kennebunkport Warning, must also be pointed out. As soon as the Kennebunkport Warning had been published, Swanson challenged the notion that there was "massive evidence" of a false flag provocation by Cheney, to be used as a pretext to launch war with Iran. This new statement, coming five weeks after the Kennebunkport Warning, and thus too late to influence the rogue B-52 affair, now acknowledges the danger of an attack, and urges US military personnel to refuse to obey illegal orders. So far, so good. There is, however, no reference to the rogue B-52 incident, in which Air Force personnel have apparently done just what the statement urges. There is no reference to the question of a false flag attack. There are warnings against a "preemptive" attack on Iran, but Bush and Cheney, as well as their accomplice Mrs. Clinton, are already presenting the attack on Iran as retaliatory, aimed at stopping Iranian interference in Iran. Any US attack on Iran predicated on a false flag terror attack inside the US (as noted by Zbigniew Brzezinski in his Feb. 1 testimony to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee) would be portrayed as purely defensive. The Swanson statement therefore has an escape clause in it big enough for Cheney to sail an aircraft carrier battle group through. Instead of such an uncertain trumpet, we must state unequivocally: NO ATTACK ON IRAN, SYRIA, PAKISTAN, SUDAN, LEBANON, VENEZUELA, NORTH KOREA or any other country, including the United States, for any reason. False flag events must be attributed to Cheney, and not to the governments or forces accused and scapegoated by US-UK propaganda.


As for the scurrilous "Cosmos," "Colonel Jenny Sparks," "Arabesque," and Michael Wolsey, to say nothing of their comrade in arms, the Ford Foundation's favorite Chip Berlet, they have no interest in doing anything to stop the new 9/11 and the threatened war with Iran. Their sole focus is to harass and sabotage those who are undertaking action in that regard ­ and remarkably effective action it has turned out to be, despite the exertions of the wreckers.


We urge all persons of good will to support, endorse, and distribute the Kennebunkport Warning, which is fully as relevant today as when it was issued. Above all, it is necessary to agitate in every way possible to force a public investigation of the rogue B-52 case, which allows us to address both the impeachment of the current executive branch and blocking the planned war with Iran. In addition, all investigate journalists are called upon to contribute to the findings of the research written herein.

 

What's Being Done About It?
Now what of the criminals who tried to steal the Nuke's.  This is an extraordinary breech of National Security.  Should not the persons responsible for attempting to steal the Nukes be arrested?

Who's going to arrest Bush, Cheney and gang, most certainly not the new criminal being placed in the position of Attorney General.  Perhaps it's time the military stepped in and arrested our rampantly criminal government.  Is that why Bush has had all the soldiers apparently injected with his company Tannox's L-form Bacteria Bio Bomb's that allows him to kill them in an instant?  1.2 million of our Gulf War veterans are already disabled.
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Re: Post for Nik and MassuhD - If only part is true it is very scary!!!
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2008, 12:07:51 AM »
Muman, lighten up just a little. A little humor every now and then helps offset the stress of living in the world of today. ^-^
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Re: Post for Nik and MassuhD - If only part is true it is very scary!!!
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2008, 12:21:26 AM »
Muman, lighten up just a little. A little humor every now and then helps offset the stress of living in the world of today. ^-^
There is no time for fun and games.

Well I think that Chaim was pretty explicit in his broadcast that there will be no more conspiracy theory discussions tolerated. There goes the plans for a X-Files permanent thread.
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Re: Post for Nik and MassuhD - If only part is true it is very scary!!!
« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2008, 01:26:01 AM »
Muman, lighten up just a little. A little humor every now and then helps offset the stress of living in the world of today. ^-^
There is no time for fun and games.

Well I think that Chaim was pretty explicit in his broadcast that there will be no more conspiracy theory discussions tolerated. There goes the plans for a X-Files permanent thread.

So let us conclude by assuming that all those weird and controversial things were perhaps related with UFO activities. ;)
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Re: Post for Nik and MassuhD - If only part is true it is very scary!!!
« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2008, 02:49:38 AM »
thanks guys... i printed out a copy of these articles and i will read them this weekend and get back to you on this inyan... in the meanwhile... now do you believe me that cheney et al divised and executed and carried out 9/11...? now do you believe me that this operation was way too much for some abject flunkies and renegeds from the 7th century... way beyond their capabilities to affect and carry out alone with no help from above...? i believe none of them actually participated in any of this at all... save for maybe that one alone they used for "evidence" like they said they had when they found a passport of one of the hijackers that miraculously floated safely to earth from 1000 feet off the ground thru a rocket-fuel conflagration and which didn't burn up when the infrastructure of the twin towers' steel girders melted from the intense heat along with all the passengers and crew members and the very planes themselves!!! but one tiny booklet of paper survived uncharred and pristine condition falling thru a molten inferno to reach the street and landing on a sidewalk near the crash site not in a gutter somewhere or blown miles away in the air given all the heat and cloud debris which wind-like pushed many objects heavier than a passport out of its way and/or carried this debris along its path... right!!!! i believe all this... and i believe the pope wears pants...

i believe that the 19 are just the black-op cover-story put out by the slime to disguise what really went down that day as i have explained on another thread... and except for one or two arab terrorists they have on tape at logan we have no evidence any of them flew... for if they indeed did fly... why weren't the other tapes from there and jfk released showing the other terrorists getting thru security before boarding...? why can't we see them if we can view that one...? what great national secuirty risk do those shots pose that the one they did release doesn't...? the other tapes do not exist since there were never any terrorists going thru there... but the record of the footage from that day should still exist... so let's ask for the videotapes... let's say we are willing to view hours and hours of it to see where the other 15 or 16 terrorists are to be seen as they got thru... i say... the whole thing was a crock from start to finish... from a to z... nik. out... 
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Re: Post for Nik and MassuhD - If only part is true it is very scary!!!
« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2008, 05:15:03 AM »
It is absolutely ridiculous to say that our own government carried out 9/11. Muslim terrorists carried out 9/11. It makes no sense at all that our government would blow up our own financial institutions. I've heard the conspiracies and I've heard the rebuttals. I've seen the videos and I've read the books. This is not a topic that JTF wishes to associate itself with since it's illogical and is an excuse used by the left in order to, very typically, take the blame away from the islamic murders who perpetrated this horrific crime and vilify the United States instead.

We have no problem accepting the fact that our government is full of traitors and elitists who are incredibly incompetent and negligent. But it is absurd to continue this nonsense when 1) Chaim asked to keep the conspiracies off the forum and 2) we have more important issues to deal with like obama-nation running for the position of President of the United States of America.

Can you please discuss issues like this somewhere else? We would like to maintain our credibility with logic and reason.
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Re: Post for Nik and MassuhD - If only part is true it is very scary!!!
« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2008, 06:26:45 AM »
It is absolutely ridiculous to say that our own government carried out 9/11. Muslim terrorists carried out 9/11. It makes no sense at all that our government would blow up our own financial institutions. I've heard the conspiracies and I've heard the rebuttals. I've seen the videos and I've read the books. This is not a topic that JTF wishes to associate itself with since it's illogical and is an excuse used by the left in order to, very typically, take the blame away from the islamic murders who perpetrated this horrific crime and vilify the United States instead.

We have no problem accepting the fact that our government is full of traitors and elitists who are incredibly incompetent and negligent. But it is absurd to continue this nonsense when 1) Chaim asked to keep the conspiracies off the forum and 2) we have more important issues to deal with like obama-nation running for the position of President of the United States of America.

Can you please discuss issues like this somewhere else? We would like to maintain our credibility with logic and reason.
Thank you for restating this Shlomo. Chaim asked that the conspiracy threads be given a rest. In the past weeks this cr-p has become a great distraction and has really caused other threads with good issues to suffer. In short people are getting turned off by this garbage. Add to this fact that the issue is now starting to show up on the splinters and we are become the subject of jokes. People reading this thread should know that the people believing this sort of garbage are only a small but prolific segment of the JTF membership. It would be a good policy of the sane membership to not even respond to some of this outlandish garbage and let it die on the vine.
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