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Michael Lerner possible that U.S. blew up WTC

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azrom:

--- Quote from: sarah.... on February 07, 2007, 04:41:45 PM ---Hmmmmmm but don't you believe that there was something odd about the way the towers came down and other elements to the whole conspiracy? I’m not saying it wasn’t the terrorists, of course not, but there are some things that need to be taken into consideration, there may have been a hell of a lot more people involved in the planning. The terrorists didn't just wake up that morning and decide to bomb the WTC...
I read an article that said all the Jews never turned up at work on 9/11, presuming that they would fall? Is this true, why do some people have this view? Are they just anti-Semites and Jew haters? –I read this on an American website-. Also, I remember reading somewhere that there was no such thing as Al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden was probably camping out in bush’s backyard lol……Its very confusing.


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http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

azrom:

--- Quote from: sarah.... on February 07, 2007, 05:07:44 PM ---Jdl4ever I read that comment on a website. IT IS NOT MY VIEW. I was asking you why these people made this up and said it. My renouncing Islam has nothing to do with it!!! I ABSOLUTLY CONDEMN ISLAMIC TERRORISTS AND THEIR EVIL WAYS. Please do not try and manipulate what I was trying to say and I'm sorry if you found it offensive but its not even a view of mine. I was stating what i read and questioning.
My heart goes out to everyone that died in the WTC and may the people who caused it receive a punishment worthwhile....

 "Two massive planes filled with fuel are enough to takes buildings such as the World Trade Center down. The fire was the main culprit in the colapse. I really have problems featuring conspiracy theories into the scenario."

Yes i remember watching a documentary about it on BBC, there was a problem with the fire alarm and people weren't leaving the building............
The WTC came down vertically, is this because of its architectural structure or the way the planes crashed into the towers? I suppose they weren't pillars of any kind so they weren't coordinated to fall like they did.

It has been made such a fuss of-in terms of the conspiracy itself, not the aftermath and the death toll-, which has led some people into believing it was a conspiracy. People cannot except and want to run things through many times, searching for minuscule things to change the story. They cannot except it was due to terrorism.

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"Melted" Steel
CLAIM: "We have been lied to," announces the Web site AttackOnAmerica.net. "The first lie was that the load of fuel from the aircraft was the cause of structural failure. No kerosene fire can burn hot enough to melt steel." The posting is entitled "Proof Of Controlled Demolition At The WTC."

FACT: Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength--and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."

"Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent." NIST also believes that a great deal of the spray-on fireproofing insulation was likely knocked off the steel beams that were in the path of the crashing jets, leaving the metal more vulnerable to the heat.

But jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F.

"The jet fuel was the ignition source," Williams tells PM. "It burned for maybe 10 minutes, and [the towers] were still standing in 10 minutes. It was the rest of the stuff burning afterward that was responsible for the heat transfer that eventually brought them down."

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=4

Sarah:

--- Quote from: cjd on February 07, 2007, 05:25:40 PM ---As a person who lives in New York City and was in viewing distance of the Towers that day I must say that this is a touchy Subject. It is my firm conviction that conspiracy theories are just a smoke screen to confuse the uninformed. Make no mistake that the attack on the buildings here in America on 911 were Muslim terrorist plots and nothing more.

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CJD yes, they do confuse the uninformed, which includes the majority of the world who haven't experienced it like you have done. I cannot even imagine being at the scene, -Thank God you weren't hurt- yet i suppose every New Yorker was, by both the loss of its people, dignity and the sight of such a horrific act. Why do people do these things....... :( :-\ >:(

Azrom that is a good website, it explains how the pictures have been taken at odd angles and out of context which causes errors and problems.........

azrom:
Here are 2 more:


http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm = National Institute of Standards and Technology: Fact Sheet



http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html = tons of info here.

Allen-T:
Chaim Ben Pesach stated in a interview on the TV show Israel Update that the people in power in this country[US] will do nothing to jeopordise their relations with the arabs with the oil they do business with including allowing thousands of Americans to die. Isn't this obvious? I don't understand why anyone would be so 100% sure it was ONLY arab muslim nazis working on 9/11. Here is a link to part 1 of the video series Chaim made this statement on[I am not sure in which of the 9 parts he says this, but it's there];    

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