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Large Hadron Collider to recreate big bang, is this dangerous?
muman613:
--- Quote from: briann on September 10, 2008, 01:40:38 AM ---Sorry about the bad news Muman.
BTW... can we all agree that we have NO IDEA whether or not this collider will be dangerous. Unless there are any physicists here spcializing in this sorta thing on this forum.
I sure as hell hope that the scientist who claims this could start a black whole is a complete crack-pot.
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Thanks Briann,
We dont know what will happen. My feeling is it will be a non-event because they dont even know what they are looking for. I just think it is wrong to do experiments like this where the scientists admit there may be 'unforeseen' events.
muman613
Rubystars:
This is not dangerous, it's wonderful. 8)
We're going to have so many new things come out of this eventually, and in the short term, we'll understand our universe better. O0
Raulmarrio2000:
I hope Hashem would have mercy on Humanity and forbid any disaster. But I agree that there is a correlation with this experiment and 9/11. 9/11 just happened because apikorsim prefered their own death to respecting Jews. Had they respected Israel and renuonced hate, recognised Jerusalem and Torah, no Islamic lunatic would have had they minimum suppoort as to create al-Qaeda. The West had already experienced that terrorist orgs. grow when haters are given hope, but they prefered to continue with their evil paths.
And now, they are doing the same, they base their argument that the collider is safe on the idea that Earth is 5.000.000.000 years old, and so, those collisons have taken place one million times naturally, and nothing happened. But Torah says Earth is only 5768 years old, and so statistics would show that these collisions would have occurred naturally only once, or never. And even if we consider Bereshit to be symbolic, wouldn't it be possible that Hashem is preventing this phenomenum in Nature everyday? These scientists are not religious. They have completely disregarded the Divine intervention and attempt to explain everything by reason, excluding G-od, even if they may believe in Him (they deny His control of the Universe).
And attempting to know the orgins of the world is not sience. It's rebellion and vanity. Why wanting to know that secret? Just to have it in mind for some decades? Don't those experts remember that, even if nothing goes wrong, they will die as any human being, and their knowledge will die with them?
Nic Brookes:
--- Quote from: Rubystars on September 10, 2008, 03:27:24 AM ---This is not dangerous, it's wonderful. 8)
We're going to have so many new things come out of this eventually, and in the short term, we'll understand our universe better. O0
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I couldn't agree more.
--- Quote from: Raulmarrio2000 on September 10, 2008, 04:16:05 AM ---I hope Hashem would have mercy on Humanity and forbid any disaster. But I agree that there is a correlation with this experiment and 9/11. 9/11 just happened because apikorsim prefered their own death to respecting Jews. Had they respected Israel and renuonced hate, recognised Jerusalem and Torah, no Islamic lunatic would have had they minimum suppoort as to create al-Qaeda. The West had already experienced that terrorist orgs. grow when haters are given hope, but they prefered to continue with their evil paths.
And now, they are doing the same, they base their argument that the collider is safe on the idea that Earth is 5.000.000.000 years old, and so, those collisons have taken place one million times naturally, and nothing happened. But Torah says Earth is only 5768 years old, and so statistics would show that these collisions would have occurred naturally only once, or never. And even if we consider Bereshit to be symbolic, wouldn't it be possible that Hashem is preventing this phenomenum in Nature everyday? These scientists are not religious. They have completely disregarded the Divine intervention and attempt to explain everything by reason, excluding G-od, even if they may believe in Him (they deny His control of the Universe).
And attempting to know the orgins of the world is not sience. It's rebellion and vanity. Why wanting to know that secret? Just to have it in mind for some decades? Don't those experts remember that, even if nothing goes wrong, they will die as any human being, and their knowledge will die with them?
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Is this not because everything has a reason? (That reason can be traced, eventually, back to God) How, please do explain, is the quest for knowledge of our existance "vanity"? Surely your argument can be extended that there is no point in learning anything for knowledge to pass down the generations as we'll just die. For example, why bother learning about how to make good music and passing this down the generations when you're just going to die eventually. This is an argument that logically contradicts the notion of the afterlife and I therefore respectfully suggest that it is wrong. And how is this denying God's control of the universe AT ALL?! Surely it's confirming that God built a universe that is so perfectly governed by hard and fast rules that has been created to an exact specification to allow us to thrive. That's not denying God, quite the reverse.
muman613:
--- Quote from: Nic Brookes on September 10, 2008, 04:46:10 PM ---I couldn't agree more.
Is this not because everything has a reason? (That reason can be traced, eventually, back to G-d) How, please do explain, is the quest for knowledge of our existance "vanity"? Surely your argument can be extended that there is no point in learning anything for knowledge to pass down the generations as we'll just die. For example, why bother learning about how to make good music and passing this down the generations when you're just going to die eventually. This is an argument that logically contradicts the notion of the afterlife and I therefore respectfully suggest that it is wrong. And how is this denying G-d's control of the universe AT ALL?! Surely it's confirming that G-d built a universe that is so perfectly governed by hard and fast rules that has been created to an exact specification to allow us to thrive. That's not denying G-d, quite the reverse.
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Nic,
So you believe that everything can be known and we have the ability to do what Hashem himself does. I think this is rather vain myself. There is a reason that we dont know everything. I dont have a problem admitting that I will never know everything. As I said earlier, I believe that the more we think we know the less we actually know. But Hashem has HIDDEN HIMSELF on purpose. By smashing atoms or sending probes into space we do not get closer to him, we actually distance ourselves from him.
muman613
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