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Paying women to have tubes tied.
Lisa:
--- Quote --- I'm the one who brought up Amalek. The act of getting their tubes tied does not make them Amalek, but this is something Amalek would do for crack and heroin. I was initially for this idea, but Lubab changed it. I saw it as being similar to Chaim's expatriation idea, but it is not nearly as good of an idea.[/quote
That's a good way of putting it, Takebackourtemple. I was at first for it, since I saw it as voluntary. But paying such people to leave America is much less intrusive and more ethical.
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SavetheWest:
--- Quote from: FULL METAL JACKET on September 28, 2008, 12:37:18 AM ---
--- Quote from: ProJewChristian on September 27, 2008, 11:28:55 PM ---The only thing that makes me WANT to support this is the Illegal Alien crisis.
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Um..... they can't collect welfare. ???
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No but they get free education, hospital treatment and in many cities and states many services are given for free. For instance, in Oregon youu get a discount if you're an illegal alien for community college but if you're from Montana you have to pay full out of state prices.
SavetheWest:
--- Quote from: Lubab on September 28, 2008, 01:44:01 PM ---
--- Quote from: C.F. on September 26, 2008, 11:49:20 AM ---
--- Quote from: Lubab on September 26, 2008, 11:41:58 AM ---Planned Parenthood is with you on this one C.F. It is a euphemistic form of genocide. Read your Bible. Amram was punished for being even "worse than Pharoh" because he chose not to have children, which prevented both girls and boys from being bought into the world.
This plan is completely anti-Torah and anti-life. JTF should oppose it strongly.
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1: Planned Parenthood doesn't want voluntary sterilization--they want mass, government-subsidized infanticide.
2: I don't have to agree with every single thing Chaim supports, and he doesn't have to agree with everything that I do. Nobody here sees 100% eye-to-eye with JTF, not even Chaimfan. Chaim doesn't require total assent, either.
3: There was a specific time and context to that. The passage is talking about the survival of the Jewish people at the time of the Pharaoh's genocide. Amram did not want to bring children into a world of the Pharaoh's brutality--his sin was cowardice and caving-in to what Pharaoh wanted, not contraception in the modern sense.
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C.F.
They are sewn from the same cloth. Look into the groups that are funding PP and look into the groups that are funding the forced sterilizationa and these tube ties. It's the same usual suspects, it's Merk, it's the Melinda and Gates Foundation, it's the Rockellers the Rothchilds and all the other anti-semitic fascist supporters that have been experimenting with eugenics and mass extermination for centuries. It's all drawn from an overiding philosophy that is the same one held by those who helped fund the holocoust.
You don't want to go down this road. Some of the most evil people in history are the ones who want this.
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I disagree. The Gates foundation actually does nothing to fund sterilization programs. Their main actions have been providing health services and disease cures for people in Africa and the result has been a population boom. Even with AIDS deaths, countries like Liberia have 30 times the population growth of America.
I know what China does is wrong but what would happen if each person there had eight kids? There are no good answers there.
Many of the areas you're talking about are not livable areas. Alaska could support millions of more people but the quality of life would go way down. Tens of millions would not be possible. The reason people can afford to live in many of those areas is because they have high paying jobs in the oil or fishing industry. Most resources there have to be imported and at a huge cost. It would be impossible to live there and people would start depleting the game resources there at an alarming rate. Look at Japan, even with a negative birth rate, they still have huge problems for a large population. You can't find an aprtment for months, driving is nearly impossible, people have to be pushed on to the subway. What if they all decided to have 10 kids?
Many of these areas are farmland so you'd also be sacrafising farmland for people eventually. A US population that had 1 billion people would be a nightmare...every single one of those poeple would want a house, a car, etc.
If you fill a glass, eventually it's going to overflow.
SavetheWest:
I think the men should be sterilized. They have less of a cosequence from having a child and the women have to go through 9 months of pregnancy, so men tend to think less of their actions. I think drug use and a prison record should be factors too. All voluntary of course. They could then freeze the sperm if the man wanted to have children later.
Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks:
My responses to all of the above (and once again, I am not urging you all to personally support sterilization--I know it is against Judaism; I just want you to take a "pro-choice" attitude towards it since it is voluntary and nobody is being harmed)
1: I agree, exiling scum is much better than sterilizing them. Sterile human filth can still rob, rape, murder, etc.
2: I agree that male sterilization (the vasectomy) is medically preferable to female sterilization (tubal ligation), but most men--especially primitive Third World men who know nothing about anatomy--think it is an emasculating, feminizing procedure just like castration. Most would never go for it.
3: Who cares if Amalek takes money in order not to spawn any more devil-children?
4: Even for non-Amalek, this could be a good idea. Many dumb people wind up, for whatever reason, having more kids than they can afford. Even if they are decent parents, it is still an enormous strain and burden on their lives. Some of these unwanted pregnancies end up in the abominable crime of abortion. JTF should support anything that lowers the abortion rate.
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