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Paying women to have tubes tied.
Dr. Dan:
it's a mistake to offer services like that...our world is too broken...we value money more than family...This can have dire consequences to the soul of the human species.
Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks:
--- Quote from: Lubab on September 28, 2008, 01:44:01 PM ---They are sewn from the same cloth. Look into the groups that are funding PP and look into the groups that are funding the forced sterilizationa and these tube ties. It's the same usual suspects, it's Merk, it's the Melinda and Gates Foundation, it's the Rockellers the Rothchilds and all the other anti-semitic fascist supporters that have been experimenting with eugenics and mass extermination for centuries. It's all drawn from an overiding philosophy that is the same one held by those who helped fund the holocoust.
You don't want to go down this road. Some of the most evil people in history are the ones who want this.
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Even if the above is true (and I am certain that some of it is), I see no reason to oppose it unless people will be forced to become sterilized. Last time I checked, this proposal was voluntary. Some of the "most evil people in history" agree with us on the subject of immigration, such as the likes of Pat Buchanan David Duke. Now, is that the same kind of issue as this? No, but every imaginable issue under the sun has some very evil supporters and righteous supporters, and vice versa.
I respect your opinion and don't wish to convert you, but the only logical result of this stance would be for JTF to support outlawing all contraception--which I guess Chaim could go along with in theory, but--I will still differ on it.
Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks:
--- Quote from: Lubab on September 28, 2008, 01:45:22 PM ---You should know C.F. that there is a concept in the Torah of stopping having children if the quality of life would suffer. But permanent disabling of the reproductive system is NOT AN OPTION, NOT ALLOWED.
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I respect the Jewish position on this, and am not telling you to agree with me--but you didn't answer my question: are you asserting that all persons who want to have tubal ligations are Amalek?
Please answer the question!
Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks:
--- Quote from: Dr. Dan on September 28, 2008, 01:58:06 PM ---it's a mistake to offer services like that...our world is too broken...we value money more than family...This can have dire consequences to the soul of the human species.
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I respect the Jewish position on this matter. I don't think you should all personally support this. Still, I see no reason why JTF shouldn't be "pro-choice" here. It's not like living human beings are being murdered by people wanting to sterilize themselves, and it's not likely that people who will have this procedure done, for money, would care about the Jewish view on it anyway. Even if you personally detest anybody who would take up this offer, I don't see why you all can't say "this is horrible and sinful, but it's their own life, and it will lead to less welfare payments".
takebackourtemple:
--- Quote from: C.F. on September 28, 2008, 03:12:03 PM ---I respect the Jewish position on this, and am not telling you to agree with me--but you didn't answer my question: are you asserting that all persons who want to have tubal ligations are Amalek?
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I'm the one who brought up Amalek. The act of getting their tubes tied does not make them Amalek, but this is something Amalek would do for crack and heroin. I was initially for this idea, but Lubab changed it. I saw it as being similar to Chaim's expatriation idea, but it is not nearly as good of an idea.
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