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Haredim being used as drug mules
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: Mifletzet on October 02, 2008, 06:10:47 PM ---Rav Kahane said that "The Haredim are irrelevant!".
And we see his words being born out.
The Haredi numbers are burgeoning. But their influence on events is actually dwindling! A sure sign of Hashem's disfavour.
--- End quote ---
Actually more like a sure sign of their choice to not wield influence and not enter the arena of leadership or national existence. It has nothing to do with "Hashem's disfavor." You should see some of the audio files in the Torah section by Rav Bar Hayim on Shabtai ben Dov's analyses... They are spot on. The haredim have simply chosen to stay out of it all. A continuation of their past hashkafa. Obviously the wrong choice. But these are not evil people. You have an obsession with haredim and yet it seems you've never actually met any!
Mifletzet:
Who says the Haredim are "evil"?!
But the Divrei Chayim did say that "Before the Moshiach, most rabbis would be of the Erev Rav".
And the Erev Rav are evil!
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: Mifletzet on October 02, 2008, 06:25:54 PM ---Who says the Haredim are "evil"?!
--- End quote ---
Did you just answer your own question?
Usually Hashem would "show disfavor" to evil people no? Your cartoonish renderings are absurd.
q_q_:
--- Quote from: Mifletzet on October 02, 2008, 06:10:47 PM ---Rav Kahane said that "The Haredim are irrelevant!".
And we see his words being born out.
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This is a misinterpretation of rabbi kahane.
First of all.. I can believe that he said that.. I have heard it mentioned before, but I would like to know when/where.
I can make a good estimate as to the textual context of his statement.
The short answer, is that Rabbi Kahane was looking for an urgent solution. Not looking at grass roots. (his son worked more at grass roots). Rabbi Kahane had an idea that haunted him. He saw the 40 years pattern of warnings and punishment, and thought we would only have 40 years of warnings, and G-d would punish israel. He timed the 40 years from 1948.. A period, he said and wrote, maybe 40, maybe 42. In a sense he was amazingly right, he was murdered in 1990.
He wanted to win people over to his cause. To win votes.. He knew that Charedim just follow their rabbis. And even if another rabbi is very convincing, they won't budge. So, they were irrelevant to him at that time.
One thing Rabbi Kahane did not predict, and this is probably because it simply wasn't relevant to him in his lifetime. Was the increase in Charedi population. The fact that they may become the majourity.
Which he'd probably have thought - and I probably wouldn't argue with him on it - is less to worry about than an increasing arab population in israel.
The Charedim were irrelevant to rabbi kahane BACK THEN. Given Rabbi Kahane's goals.. At that time . And during his entire life.
Rabbi Kahane was a Winner, and a man that set goals and acheived many of them, perhaps all but one of them. And he set big goals.
And he intentionally sacrificed things in order to acheive those goals..sacrificing family time for example. Sacrificing the secular life for judaism. And saving jews. In parts of his life he regretted that with all the speaking he didn't have more time for torah study.. (though he certainly accumulated alot of torah study in his lifetime.. and near the end of his life he was really sage like)
That's what it boiled down to. They were irrelevant to his goals at the time.
Just as early on, becoming prime minister was irrelevant to him. It would have detracted from his goal of the time.
q_q_:
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on October 02, 2008, 06:19:49 PM ---
--- Quote from: Mifletzet on October 02, 2008, 06:10:47 PM ---Rav Kahane said that "The Haredim are irrelevant!".
And we see his words being born out.
The Haredi numbers are burgeoning. But their influence on events is actually dwindling! A sure sign of Hashem's disfavour.
--- End quote ---
Actually more like a sure sign of their choice to not wield influence and not enter the arena of leadership or national existence. It has nothing to do with "Hashem's disfavor." You should see some of the audio files in the Torah section by Rav Bar Hayim on Shabtai ben Dov's analyses... They are spot on. The haredim have simply chosen to stay out of it all. A continuation of their past hashkafa. Obviously the wrong choice. But these are not evil people. You have an obsession with haredim and yet it seems you've never actually met any!
--- End quote ---
good that you listened to them.
is there anything there that is actually new analysis?
(did you really not know that the haredim believe in having nothing to do with the govt? and have always believed that)
you want to write anything about what you listened to?
you are telling people ot listen to it so surely you recall things that were interesting to you.
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