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Is Zionism today worse than exile?
zachor_ve_kavod:
--- Quote from: judeanoncapta on October 02, 2008, 04:41:11 AM ---More Jews died in the concentration camps in one day than died in all of Israel's wars including the terror attacks.
Therefore, NO, IT IS NOT SAFER IN THE EXILE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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But more people could die from a nuclear bomb dropped on Israel (G-d forbid) than in several years of the holocaust. My position is that neither the exile nor the unsecured, morally disoriented state of Israel are acceptable.
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
With the issue of safety- Jews (and all people) can die wherever they may be. Jews died in large numbers in the exile (for example the Holocaust) and Jews died in the land of Israel under Jewish leadership (For example the wars with Rome, Beitar, etc- check Gittin, very gruesome). With reality concerned, since we are not in the world of "G-d shining His 'face' on us, right now"- and their will be a perfect world once Moshiach Tzidkeinu establishes peace, for now the Rabbanim have dealth with reality and the way for the Seed of Yakov- the nation of Israel to survive- which was to spread out all over the world. If right now all the Jews are only in Israel- dealing with reality their can be nuklear bombs dropped their- then what? But im not discouraging people from going their becuase their is equally a possibility of Jews dying in America, or in Europe, anything could happen.
Once again- being in Israel is a great merit, but it isn't necessarily what will keep one safe. (And also being outside of Israel is allowed (Their are different views, but I just read the Rambam- in Hilchot Melachim chapter 5 who speaks about it, and their are different things he says, but he also says that living in any land except Egypt is allowed- their are others who disagree with him, but nevertheless according to him, dwelling in Israel has advantages, but dwelling at any other place in the world (except Egypt) is allowed).
q_q_:
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on October 02, 2008, 01:16:47 PM ---<snip>their are different things he says, <snip>
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I assure you that if the RAMBAM had spoken the english of today, he would have known the difference between THEIR and THERE.
Like any other primary(elementary) school child.
Given that you're such a Kiruv maniac, you should know that seculars are driven away from frummers that lack an education! Kiruv organisations tend to recruit educated people for that very reason.
Though I must say, messing up THEIR and THERE as you do, is beyond uneducated.
If you were to tell me that you are dyslexic and you've really tried hard, but try as you might, you've given up, becaue trying to spell THEIR and THERE correctly has taken over your life in the past, and you cannot afford to keep trying, then I wouldn't believe you, but I might leave you alone about it..
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
--- Quote from: q_q_ on October 02, 2008, 02:22:39 PM ---
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on October 02, 2008, 01:16:47 PM ---<snip>their are different things he says, <snip>
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I assure you that if the RAMBAM had spoken the english of today, he would have known the difference between THEIR and THERE.
Like any other primary(elementary) school child.
Given that you're such a Kiruv maniac, you should know that seculars are driven away from frummers that lack an education! Kiruv organisations tend to recruit educated people for that very reason.
Though I must say, messing up THEIR and THERE as you do, is beyond uneducated.
If you were to tell me that you are dyslexic and you've really tried hard, but try as you might, you've given up, becaue trying to spell THEIR and THERE correctly has taken over your life in the past, and you cannot afford to keep trying, then I wouldn't believe you, but I might leave you alone about it..
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Who cares, everyone knows what is meant?
Anyway I dont pay too much attention when I write. Its not like I'm writtin some essay for school or something. + Im doing a number of things at the same time a lot of the time, so I dont pay attention and dont care about proper english (its not like im getting a grade for writting their as aposed to there, or mispelling words, so stop bustin my bolz abat it.
White Israelite:
--- Quote from: zachor_ve_kavod on October 02, 2008, 11:34:26 AM ---
--- Quote from: judeanoncapta on October 02, 2008, 04:41:11 AM ---More Jews died in the concentration camps in one day than died in all of Israel's wars including the terror attacks.
Therefore, NO, IT IS NOT SAFER IN THE EXILE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
--- End quote ---
But more people could die from a nuclear bomb dropped on Israel (G-d forbid) than in several years of the holocaust. My position is that neither the exile nor the unsecured, morally disoriented state of Israel are acceptable.
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I don't think theres even 6 million Jews in Israel at the moment especially with the huge Arab population.
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