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Why does JTF bans posts condemning Non-Muslim Religious support for Nazis?
AryehYehudah:
Hi, an admin just wiped out my post.. I won't go into the details. I really do respect many Christians and know many risked their lives to save Jews in the holocaust. However, what annoys me is that the we can openly speak out against any form of anti-semitism of evil that Muslims commit, but the one minute we speak about a non-muslims, who supports nazis, the post is removed.
I mean, there is a very big religious organization right now who is glorying a man who was a nazi and refusing to visit Israel because the Jews will not agree with them on the person. Why is this less a threat to us JEws than a Muslim who supports a nazi or murdering of Jews. I really feel that the JTF website is not 100% run for the interest of Jews and in the effect, we will sooner or later see the interests of others take precedent of our own. The fact that an admin will censor such and important topic on a Jewish website, makes me feel that we Jews have little control over this. Look at George Bush trying to force Israel to give away GOlan Heights to Arabs. Do you see what happens when we try to let outsiders have authority over our land and government?
The entire Israeli government was handpicked at the interest of American liberals. It appears JTF is turning blind eye to any non-Islamic aggression, saying it doesn't exist. This is very arrogant on your part and in the end will result in the dissolution of this organization. I am talking to many JEws who are already unhappy about the way JTF treats its Jewish members, in favor of Christians, some with conflicting views to Jewish interest. I am very disappointed in JTF for banning my post on an important subject and I pray that our voice and concerns can be shared with gentiles in way that we both can accept. I think this constant trying to make non-Jews happy, by only bashing Muslims is damaging this site's integrity.
So now, my post is removed, we can have a very powerful group of individuals making a hero of a nazi, while JTF just shuts its mouth. Pardon, hope I don't get banned for being honest.
Please Admins don't remove this post, if JTF just censors out all speech, this movement will be useless to Jews. WE Jews should pack our bags and go elsewhere, as we don't feel welcome.
muman613:
Shalom AryehYehudah,
I will attempt to address your concerns. On most issues I agree with you and I have supported you in many postings. But I completely understand the reason why we should not make postings which could be offensive to our Christian associates. Many of them come here with a generous heart and want to be a part of the movement to help us regain our sacred and holy land. Regardless of what their intimate intentions are we should at least accept their graciousness and not be rude and dismissive of their feelings.
I know that I have said things in the past which have upset some of our righteous gentiles. I often apologize simply because I feel for the other persons soul. Every human being has a soul and a Jew needs to be aware of his impact on a non-Jew and try to bring him closer to Hashem. Being rude and offensive to someone who could end up being a brother to you is not wise. Us Jews believe that Hashems truth will be known, one way or another it cannot be avoided. So our mission involves bringing those who don't share our beliefs in the ONE to some way assist us in bringing about his kingdom on earth. I dont think it is that hard to understand. As always we know that they have their own beliefs and we have our own beliefs. We dont need to force them to believe what we do. I just dont want to allow them to try to make us believe their beliefs. This is why JTF is against all missionising.
I think I know the issue which is bothering you and I tell you that it bothers me too. I believe that the Church has reconsidered its Beatification of the Pope Pious because of the new information which came out which shows how the Pope did not do as much as he could to ease the suffering of the Jews at the hands of the Germans. We will see how this turns out.
muman613
Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks:
--- Quote from: AryehYehudah on October 20, 2008, 09:03:28 PM ---Hi, an admin just wiped out my post.. I won't go into the details. I really do respect many Christians and know many risked their lives to save Jews in the holocaust. However, what annoys me is that the we can openly speak out against any form of anti-semitism of evil that Muslims commit, but the one minute we speak about a non-muslims, who supports nazis, the post is removed.
I mean, there is a very big religious organization right now who is glorying a man who was a nazi and refusing to visit Israel because the Jews will not agree with them on the person. Why is this less a threat to us JEws than a Muslim who supports a nazi or murdering of Jews. I really feel that the JTF website is not 100% run for the interest of Jews and in the effect, we will sooner or later see the interests of others take precedent of our own. The fact that an admin will censor such and important topic on a Jewish website, makes me feel that we Jews have little control over this. Look at George Bush trying to force Israel to give away GOlan Heights to Arabs. Do you see what happens when we try to let outsiders have authority over our land and government?
The entire Israeli government was handpicked at the interest of American liberals. It appears JTF is turning blind eye to any non-Islamic aggression, saying it doesn't exist. This is very arrogant on your part and in the end will result in the dissolution of this organization. I am talking to many JEws who are already unhappy about the way JTF treats its Jewish members, in favor of Christians, some with conflicting views to Jewish interest. I am very disappointed in JTF for banning my post on an important subject and I pray that our voice and concerns can be shared with gentiles in way that we both can accept. I think this constant trying to make non-Jews happy, by only bashing Muslims is damaging this site's integrity.
So now, my post is removed, we can have a very powerful group of individuals making a hero of a nazi, while JTF just shuts its mouth. Pardon, hope I don't get banned for being honest.
Please Admins don't remove this post, if JTF just censors out all speech, this movement will be useless to Jews. WE Jews should pack our bags and go elsewhere, as we don't feel welcome.
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What are you talking about?
Americanhero1:
--- Quote from: C.F. on October 20, 2008, 09:41:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: AryehYehudah on October 20, 2008, 09:03:28 PM ---Hi, an admin just wiped out my post.. I won't go into the details. I really do respect many Christians and know many risked their lives to save Jews in the holocaust. However, what annoys me is that the we can openly speak out against any form of anti-semitism of evil that Muslims commit, but the one minute we speak about a non-muslims, who supports nazis, the post is removed.
I mean, there is a very big religious organization right now who is glorying a man who was a nazi and refusing to visit Israel because the Jews will not agree with them on the person. Why is this less a threat to us JEws than a Muslim who supports a nazi or murdering of Jews. I really feel that the JTF website is not 100% run for the interest of Jews and in the effect, we will sooner or later see the interests of others take precedent of our own. The fact that an admin will censor such and important topic on a Jewish website, makes me feel that we Jews have little control over this. Look at George Bush trying to force Israel to give away GOlan Heights to Arabs. Do you see what happens when we try to let outsiders have authority over our land and government?
The entire Israeli government was handpicked at the interest of American liberals. It appears JTF is turning blind eye to any non-Islamic aggression, saying it doesn't exist. This is very arrogant on your part and in the end will result in the dissolution of this organization. I am talking to many JEws who are already unhappy about the way JTF treats its Jewish members, in favor of Christians, some with conflicting views to Jewish interest. I am very disappointed in JTF for banning my post on an important subject and I pray that our voice and concerns can be shared with gentiles in way that we both can accept. I think this constant trying to make non-Jews happy, by only bashing Muslims is damaging this site's integrity.
So now, my post is removed, we can have a very powerful group of individuals making a hero of a nazi, while JTF just shuts its mouth. Pardon, hope I don't get banned for being honest.
Please Admins don't remove this post, if JTF just censors out all speech, this movement will be useless to Jews. WE Jews should pack our bags and go elsewhere, as we don't feel welcome.
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What are you talking about?
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He posted a topic about the pope which was taken down
AryehYehudah:
Yes, well I respect what you say Muman and I in no way want to offend CHristians or Catholics, especially since i know many are religious and good people who support Jews and Israel. However, the followers of a religion don't always agree with one another, nor do they coincide with their authorities. As for what you say about Pious, I think you are watering down the truth about the situation. This post was in regards to a conflict at the Holocaust museum, where history of the man is presented. It was not only to say he did not speak out enough, but rather, turned a blind eye and even supported nazis. Now there is a conflict about this between Israel and Rome. This is a seperate subject to the one you are addressing about the beautification of the man. We Jews openly admit when we have bad Jews and always thrash people of our religion who commit evil acts. How come we have to keep our mouth shut about evil men of other non-Jewish and non-Islamic religions? Why cannot us Jews and Catholics come to the agreement that not all Jewish and Catholic leaders are saints and some have done bad things. As for the current Pope, I did not insult him, but rather was sharing my disappointment that he is neglecting the truth on this issue. Last I checked this was a Jewish website, not a Catholic website. I do respect many Catholics; I hope people don't misunderstand me, but the Pope is not my Messiah or religious leader, and I can voice out concerns I have about a religious leader who is doing something I feel goes against Jewish interests.
I mean he refuses to visit Israel, but is planning a trip to Saudi Arabia. Why cannot he come visit our country, which the church is connected with, but will visit the country of Arabs?http://www.frankrmazzaglia.com/columns/view.cgi?cmd=column&id=139
Well, I don't want to say too much more, I already had one post get removed.
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