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Why does JTF bans posts condemning Non-Muslim Religious support for Nazis?

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muman613:

--- Quote from: AryehYehudah on October 20, 2008, 09:45:24 PM ---Yes, well I respect what you say Muman and I in no way want to offend CHristians or Catholics, especially since i know many are religious and good people who support Jews and Israel.  However, the followers of a religion don't always agree with one another, nor do they coincide with their authorities.  As for what you say about Pious, I think you are watering down the truth about the situation.  This post was in regards to a conflict at the Holocaust museum, where history of the man is presented.  It was not only to say he did not speak out enough, but rather, turned a blind eye and even supported nazis.  Now there is a conflict about this between Israel and Rome. This is a seperate subject to the one you are addressing about the beautification of the man.  We Jews openly admit when we have bad Jews and always thrash people of our religion who commit evil acts.  How come we have to keep our mouth shut about evil men of other non-Islamic religions?  Why cannot us Jews and Catholics come to the agreement that not all Jewish and Catholic leaders are saints and some have done bad things.   As for the current Pope, I did not insult him, but rather was sharing my disappointment that he is neglecting the truth on this issue.  Last I checked this was a Jewish website, not a Catholic website.  I do respect many Catholics; I hope people don't misunderstand me, but the Pope is not my Messiah or religious leader, and I can voice out concerns I have about a religious leader who is doing something I feel goes against Jewish interests.

Well, I don't want to say too much more, I already had one post get removed. 

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Friend,

I dont really know much about the Church. But my impression is that it still holds a lot of power in the life of the religion. It is hard to separate the Church from the theology. I believe Catholics actually believe that the Pope receives his power from G-d himself. This makes him a very powerful person in the eyes of the believers. I dont think it is possible to say things about the Pope and the Church without casting a pock on the entire system. I really dont agree with this ideology, but I understand it and attempt to work with it.

Please dont feel that you are being restricted, yet also restrain yourself from saying things which could be taken the wrong way. We can talk in private messages about the best way to express your feeling. I dont want to see you banned in the least because I believe you truly feel the way you do because of your firm beliefs {which I think I share}. There is a lot to be upset about in this world but a wise man picks his battles and knows when to gather people together. I hope that moderation is the goal, not extremism.

muman613

Lisa:
Here's how I see it.

The RCC has never been a friend of Israel (although the previous Pope, to his credit, tried to improve relations with Jews).  Chaim even said so on the most recent Ask JTF.  So if the people in Israel are going to be so stupid as to remove part of their Holocaust exhibit so as not to offend the Pope, then it's really about them being self-hating appeasers and nothing more. 

Personally, I don't care if the Pope visits Israel or not, or even if he goes to Saudi Arabia.  Neither should the people in Israel.   That's the Church's business.  They're looking out for themselves and for Catholics.  The important thing is that there is a State of Israel, and that Israel has the best army in the entire region.  We at JTF have to make sure our message gets across to them, and that hopefully Chaim gets into Israel to become Prime Minister.  If Israel had a real, Torah true, right wing government, then this business about whether or not other people visit the state becomes irrelevant. 

We Jews also have to learn to look out for our own interests and close ranks, rather than putting efforts (like so many American Jews) into chi chi causes like the environment, or animal rights, to name a few things. 

mord:
I read Joseph Ratzinger said that it was a misunderstanding and he never said that

Shamgar:
The Pope is a Christian????    :o

Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks:
I disagree with the Vatican on many issues, but there is no reason to attack Catholicism. Many Catholics are our allies and love the nation of Israel.

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