We must be prepared - NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS ON NOV 4

[muman613]

Shalom,

I just want all righteous members of JTF to be prepared for whatever happens on Nov 4. I have resisted being an 'alarmist' for a long time. It is getting very close and it appears we may not succeed in our goals of saving America from falling into the grips of Socialism/Fascism. It is possible that some of the worst-case scenarios may pan out. I generally have faith that things will work out but there is always the possibility that we are really entering the time which our prophets foresaw. If this is the case we are in for a very BUMPY ride and only those who act in the correct manner will be spared the pains of living through the coming of the messianic era.

I realize that we may have our rights of speech impaired by an Obama presidency. He already has established his "truth brigades" and agitators who attempt to suppress free speech. If this is the case we will have to create a new method of communication. I suggest that plans should be drawn up on how to continue the movement even in light of impeded speech freedoms {including high encryption and secure credentials}.

It is possible we are entering another period like that which we read about on Channukah. A time when the government will do all it can to destroy our faith. It may be possible that they outlaw Torah reading and circumcision. If America should ever attempt to destroy Judaism it would be the last nail in the coffin.

muman613

[Roadwarrior]

it's all very surreal

[Maccabi]

I suggested we keep the forum open 24/7 as this is a life threatening crisis but only 1 person responded.

what do you think?

[muman613]

I suggested we keep the forum open 24/7 as this is a life threatening crisis but only 1 person responded.

what do you think?

MakaB,

I am against this as it may encourage our Jewish members to violate Shabbat and Holidays...

muman613

[zachor_ve_kavod]

I suggested we keep the forum open 24/7 as this is a life threatening crisis but only 1 person responded.

what do you think?

MakaB,

I am against this as it may encourage our Jewish members to violate Shabbat and Holidays...

muman613

Good Jews observe Shabbat and the Holidays because they want to, not because they have to.  Jews are surrounded by traiff all the time.  The answer is not to preclude Jews from disobeying Hallachah.  I think observant Jews will follow the mitzvot, imposing them on themselves.

[briann]

Ive set it before and I'll say it again... hoard amo!!!
 

[Maccabi]

I think it is allowable and even advisable considering the circumstances.

It's probably a mitzvah.

If you could leave Nazi Germany right before the holocaust, but the only train running that week was on a Friday night, would you go to shul and worry about violating shabbat?

If there were meetings of Jewish groups counter to the nazis on a Friday night around the time of hitler's rise would you stay home?

I'd be planning day and night and I would want access to communications with my brothers.

This is a serious f!@##@! national crisis! Shvartzas running mad carving stuff in people's skin?  And he hasn't even won! The muslim can't show his birth certificate and no one is doing anything? Perhaps it is even worse than we imagine.  I mean, no one is really stopping him...Can you believe with all of this no one in the government is really saying anything about all the extent of his connections?  

It really sort of is like Hitler.  Bad economy, mass hysteria, people acting like sheep, worshipping and deifying this anti-semite with posters, the few people who do speak up are attacked outrageously (either physically or 'investigated' like Joe). Out of all the dirty connections we may not even know the half of the extent of it! Who knows what is going on behind the scenes?

Well, in my opinion, you or someone you know may not be enjoying too many more shabbats as a direct result if this whole thing isn't stopped.  So if it were up to me, I'd say keep the forum open and maybe get a weapon for self defense if the shtf.

[jaime]

*snip* "The muslim can't show his birth certificate and no one is doing anything? Perhaps it is even worse than we imagine.  I mean, no one is really stopping him...Can you believe with all of this no one in the government is really saying anything about all the extent of his connections?"


I have written to Homeland Security, the Secret Service, the FBI, McCain over and over and over, I think everyone is afraid of the SOB, especially McCain.  Obama has power because he's got real money behind him from sources no one can even identify .  He bought the White House and who knows how many people were paid off in hush money.  To secure that purchase, he donated $826K to some group to guarantee ACORN would commit voter registration fraud and even voter fraud in the swing states, plus some additional states.  This explains arrogance beyond belief.

I think everyone knows who they are dealing with here.  Don't forget how elated Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are over this nomination.  The democrats have taken over.  They and their friends will be living high on the hog while we pay for it.  All their screw ups, we will pay for in tax dollars.

We can thank that fat pig Ocra Whinefrey for shoving him down our throats.  She doesn't care that she lost 1,000,000 viewers, as long as The One wins.  I hope she cheats on her taxes and the IRS throws her in jail.  I don't think The One can save her then.  What will she do without all her twinkies, greasy burgers, fries, shakes.............

No matter what McCain does, it backfires on him.  Yesterday someone posted "It's not Over Until it's Over."  Well, it's over.

The stupidest thing McCain said was, "Don't be afraid if Mr. Obama is your president.  He is a family man.  He is a nice man."  That's not exactly what I wanted to hear about his opponent.  Was he the best candidate the Republicans had 

G-d will see us through it.   

[New Yorker]

"Was he the best candidate the Republicans had"


Far from it. In my estimation, the best was Giuliani (yeah I know some of you don't like him, but like my nic says, I'm a New Yorker, and Giuliani proved his leadership several times by turning NYC around from a slum to a half decent city while I was here to see it happen) Second best, Huckabee, Third, Romney, distant fourth McCain. Makes me laugh when the lieberals always ask, do you really want Sarah Palin to be one heartbeat away from the Presidency? LOL, I'd take Sarah Palin over McCain for the top seat any day! 

[Maccabi]

*snip* "The muslim can't show his birth certificate and no one is doing anything? Perhaps it is even worse than we imagine.  I mean, no one is really stopping him...Can you believe with all of this no one in the government is really saying anything about all the extent of his connections?"


I have written to Homeland Security, the Secret Service, the FBI, McCain over and over and over, I think everyone is afraid of the SOB, especially McCain. 

It's actually not Obama I'm afraid of. He's a twerpy metrosexual 'on the down low' muslim. It's the masses following him!

It's more the fact that all of this is going on...the circumstances...the voter fraud, illegal donations, not showing a real birth cert etc...It's like there's an illusion or massive collusion at play or something. And the double standard is beyond obscene.  They can carve a letter in a girls face? I bet most news mainstream coverage mostly ignores it or downplays it or rationalizes it:

"She shouldn't have had a McCain sticker because that is openly racist...right? If you think about it, she had no right to express a political opinion against Obama." 

A large number of dumb liberal white people will actually go along with this line of reasoning.

The rest won't speak up, at least in public and rants will mostly be confined to internet forums.  Most people are simply afraid of public opinion of being labeled a racist.  The reason they are afraid is because they think it could hurt their business, their money, if they expressed strong support against the black muslim candidate.

The things I'm worried about are:

a: the safety of family from rioters - I think there will be riots either way, no matter what the outcome.  At this point, I think it is safe to assume medium to large scale riots, so this is going to be a factor that can effect you personally, depending on where you live. Some people in rural areas may not be effected, but the general atmosphere could turn bad everywhere.  You will probably have to be on the lookout.

b: a martial law scenario that goes into effect to stop the rioting - For over 1.5 yrs I have predicted a martial law scenario before the end of the Bush presidency.  The situation with the economic markets and the fact that (correct me if I'm wrong) there was martial law declared to force a vote on the bailout bill shows I'm not completely paranoid or off the mark.  Ok...soldiers on each corner...probably far fetched...I don't know how they could really do that considering most of the armed forces are overseas and that the US is such a huge landmass. But there could be something along these lines...who knows...curfews or something if mayhem starts.  From there, it is anyone's guess where that leads. (*note - I'm not saying Jews in particular would be targeted by the government. I have a hard time picturing it, but nothing is impossible.)

c: economic disaster and scapegoating, mixed with rioting - This seems to me the most likely and most dangerous scenario.  This means friends and family members could be targeted by random violence (of course I'm a little worried for myself too! but I am more worried about family), and it could be condoned in an atmosphere of hysteria. Sort of like the double standard that is going on with this campaign applied to random violence against white non-liberals in general and Jews in particular. I would guess there would be a large increase in home invasions too.

etc...

Well, on the bright side...Based on the recent polls, and the obvious Bradley effect (which no matter how much the media tried to say it won't be a factor, it will) it seems there is still a good chance McCain can still win...

Even if McCain does win, we still probably have to deal with some of these 'lesser-worse-case-scenarios' that are likely to start immediately following the election (the day after).

I just want to be prepared for worst case scenarios...and there are plenty of them that are very possible in the near future.

Therefore I think the forum should remain open as it is a time of national crisis with up to the minute updates potentially being important to the safety of family, friends and self.

[White Israelite]

I'm telling ya guys, the [censored] is going to hit the fan, get guns and arm yourselves because things are gonna get pretty bad the way this countries headed.

[~Hanna~]

Ive set it before and I'll say it again... hoard amo!!!
 

I do not even have a gun...

[White Israelite]

Ive set it before and I'll say it again... hoard amo!!!
 

I do not even have a gun...

Now would be a good time to get one, every Jew and righteous gentile needs to protect themselves if Obama gets elected, we will all be sent to fema camps for reeducation and those of us who refuse will be exterminated. NEVER AGAIN!

[New Yorker]

Stock up on "Bullets, Beans, and Bandaids"

In other words, weapons n ammo for self defense, a store of non-perishable food n' water, and medical supplies.

[~Hanna~]

Ive set it before and I'll say it again... hoard amo!!!
 

I do not even have a gun...

Now would be a good time to get one, every Jew and righteous gentile needs to protect themselves if Obama gets elected, we will all be sent to fema camps for reeducation and those of us who refuse will be exterminated. NEVER AGAIN!

Any suggestions about the cheapest and best place to get one without bringing alot of attention on myself?

I have a few extra dollars but not alot.

[White Israelite]

Ive set it before and I'll say it again... hoard amo!!!
 

I do not even have a gun...

Now would be a good time to get one, every Jew and righteous gentile needs to protect themselves if Obama gets elected, we will all be sent to fema camps for reeducation and those of us who refuse will be exterminated. NEVER AGAIN!

Any suggestions about the cheapest and best place to get one without bringing alot of attention on myself?

I have a few extra dollars but not alot.

If your on a budget, go for a handgun. It's portable, easy to store, and good for self defense.

It's user preference, I prefer semi automatics. If you want something with little care, look for a Smith & Wesson .32 snub nose revolver



Most you'd have to worry about is running a cleaning rod down the barrel with some lubricant and cleaning patches after you shoot it or to keep it from rusting (I recommend a stainless steel model because it reduces chances of rusting), and running a brush through the cylinder, only moving parts really are the trigger, hammer, and the rotating cylinder so there's not a whole lot that can go wrong.

If you prefer something a little bit more modern and has more capacity, I would recommend a Springfield XD .40 S&W, it may take a little bit to get used to a .40 S&W but it's not that bad once you get the hand of it, it's no where near as bad as a .45, I'd stay away from 9mm.

A springfield XD can be had for about $624.00 brand new, you can probably get them much cheaper though from other outlets, i've seen them sold around 400 or less on many occasions.

http://www.thegunsource.com/store/item/75449_Hand_Guns_Pistols_Springfield_Armory_Springfield_XD_Pistol___X.aspx

taking them apart is very simple too, video



if this is out of your budget, I can make other recommendations as well and everything you need to buy a gun, feel free to PM me as well.

[Sparky]

Message to all fellow Jews - LOCK AND LOAD!

[White Israelite]

Actually that link I gave is overpriced, this ones a bit cheaper

Springfield XD .40 S&W blued finish 12 round magazine

http://www.thegunsource.com/store/item/58024_Springfield_Armory_Hand_Guns_(Pistols)_Springfield_Tactical_XD_P.aspx

$517.99, you can find them cheaper used and they work the same.

[Sparky]

I literally just posted this on another thread. 

Here's the handgun I'm thinking about buying.  S&W model 442 - .38 special, five chamber, hammerless revolver. Very small, light, and concealable.  Retails about $500. 

[jaime]

"Was he the best candidate the Republicans had"


Far from it. In my estimation, the best was Giuliani (yeah I know some of you don't like him, but like my nic says, I'm a New Yorker, and Giuliani proved his leadership several times by turning NYC around from a slum to a half decent city while I was here to see it happen) Second best, Huckabee, Third, Romney, distant fourth McCain. Makes me laugh when the lieberals always ask, do you really want Sarah Palin to be one heartbeat away from the Presidency? LOL, I'd take Sarah Palin over McCain for the top seat any day! 

great post NYer    I like Guiliani too.  He never would have made such a fool out of himself (repeatedly,) saying, "I'm suspending my campaign," then rushing off to Washington like a knight on his white horse to "fix" everything, then going along with that stupid "rescue" bill.  to make matters worse, Obama made him look like an a** by forcing him to debate saying, "we are often called on as President to do more than one thing at a time," and be greeted by charming Barney Frank saying, "what are you doing here?"  I expected McCain to come up with a plan, not go along w/the rest of them and Obama took advantage of the situation, really making things so much worse.  I write to McCain about 6-7 times a day chewing him out.  I am so mad I have to write, investigate and spend all my time on this crap.  I tell him he got my vote and I expect him to do the work.  I write to the FBI, Homeland Security (because of loon Biden's statements,) and am outraged that he is etiquetting himself right out of this race.  I even called him a wimp.  Obama doesn't hesitate to use anything and everything he can against McCain.  McCain doesn't want to use Jer. Wright, because it wouldn't be "nice."  I find myself giving him instructions on how to put ads together, what to say, etc.  I even blamed him for making stupid decisions on putting Sarah Palin in bad situations, i.e., Charles Gibson and Katie Couric interview (he threw her to the wolves,) putting her on Sat. Night Live....Tina Fey walked right by her and she wasn't given any lines (another charmer, Chevy Chase, said Lorne Green was smart not to give her any lines.)  That's disgraceful treatment.  Not that I want Obama to win, but I just think McCain ran a lousy campaign and made himself look foolish, along w/Sarah Palin.  He and/or his staff did not think things out putting Sarah through a lot of suffering.  Repeatedly, Dennis Miller said, "John McCain is going to etiquette himself right out of this race."  I ask him if he's asleep?  I ask him if he wants the Presidency?  I just can't believe I voted for this guy

[jaime]

It's actually not Obama I'm afraid of. He's a twerpy metrosexual 'on the down low' muslim. It's the masses following him!

MackaB

"The muslim can't show his birth certificate and no one is doing anything? Perhaps it is even worse than we imagine.  I mean, no one is really stopping him...Can you believe with all of this no one in the government is really saying anything about all the extent of his connections?"

That's why I'm always writing to the Elections Committee (fraud re Acorn,) the FBI about him not producing a certified birth certificate, Homeland Security because of deranged Biden and the morons worry if Sarah Palin becomes president if something happens to McCain.  can you imagine having Biden as president

the whole thing is a mess.  there is $263 million from "unknown sources," and Obama REFUSES to tell us where this money came from.  there are also small donations on the web in the amounts of $5, 10, 20 and $25, that are from unknown sources as well.  Obama refuses to follow the rules, the morons working at the FBI, Homeland Security, Elections Committee, etc, won't do anything.  Remember when hag Sec. of State of Ohio had a temp restraining order placed against her by the judge, she didn't care!  she still won't cooperate.  i think stank Katie Couric, the greedy gummy witch may have been bribed along w/look down my nose at you Charles Gibson.  I hate this election.  It is the most dishonest thing and no one will do anything about it, not even John McCain. 

Homeland Security needs to interrogate Biden and find out exactly what he was talking about and explain it to the American people.  During his rant, he said, "as Americans, you have to help."  How can we help if we don't know what he's talking about?  Help against an attack?  How?  Obama doesn't want us to have any guns.  These 2 want to rewrite the constitution.  And the gall of him to have his 1/2 hr. propaganda special, delaying the World Series.  I told McCain to have one too to refute whatever Obama says and NOT TO ASK ME FOR ANYMORE MONEY.  

[jaime]

I literally just posted this on another thread. 

Here's the handgun I'm thinking about buying.  S&W model 442 - .38 special, five chamber, hammerless revolver. Very small, light, and concealable.  Retails about $500. 

nice Sparky.  i'm getting one too and going to a shooting range to practice so I'm not afraid to pull the trigger. 

when the Rodney King verdicts came down, i watched the city burn while I was trapped in an office bldg.  i was working for lawyers and it was business as usual.  they worked through the whole riots doing their litigation.  the smell of the fire was in my living room.  the closest fire was about a mile from my apt.   this went on for about a week.  the day of the verdict, the lawyers wouldn't let us leave, because there was work to be done.  it took me 5 hrs. to get home in gridlock traffic.  the office was less than 10 miles away.  they really are a sick bunch.  they didn't care the city was burning down all around us.  this time around, there will be riots and looting no matter who wins.  to celebrate, outside the stadium, they set police cars on fire and turned them over in the street, just for fun.  i think that was when the Lakers won, (this was a few years ago,) so that's when they are in a good mood

[zachor_ve_kavod]

If you are going to purchase a gun, take the time to learn how to use it properly and safely.  Be responsible.

[jaime]

Ive set it before and I'll say it again... hoard amo!!!
 

I do not even have a gun...

Now would be a good time to get one, every Jew and righteous gentile needs to protect themselves if Obama gets elected, we will all be sent to fema camps for reeducation and those of us who refuse will be exterminated. NEVER AGAIN!

everyone needs to pay attention to this.  the other day when i was on this site, someone (i can't remember who,) directed us to go to that rag the Palm Beach Post, and you should have seen the hate on there, "who cares about Israel anyway?" is the sentiment.  

I knew Obama hated the Jews and Israel because he never mentioned them or Israel's safety.  Now that he needs Florida's votes, all of a sudden he loves the Jews.  Same thing w/Hispanics.  a prominent Hispanic named Miguel (I forgot his name but I posted it here,) said the same exact thing.  Once he needed their vote, "all of a sudden he loves Hispanics."

Obama and that wife of his are despicable.  I told McCain to leave the etiquette for 5th Avenue, Cindy and his kids, and to do an ad tying Ayers, Farrahkan, Phleger, Wright and all of them together.  He's afraid to mention Wright for some reason.  Probably one of the reasons is it's not politically correct and also he is scared of their reaction.   What a wimp.

[~Hanna~]

Ive set it before and I'll say it again... hoard amo!!!
 

I do not even have a gun...

Now would be a good time to get one, every Jew and righteous gentile needs to protect themselves if Obama gets elected, we will all be sent to fema camps for reeducation and those of us who refuse will be exterminated. NEVER AGAIN!

Any suggestions about the cheapest and best place to get one without bringing alot of attention on myself?

I have a few extra dollars but not alot.

If your on a budget, go for a handgun. It's portable, easy to store, and good for self defense.

It's user preference, I prefer semi automatics. If you want something with little care, look for a Smith & Wesson .32 snub nose revolver



Most you'd have to worry about is running a cleaning rod down the barrel with some lubricant and cleaning patches after you shoot it or to keep it from rusting (I recommend a stainless steel model because it reduces chances of rusting), and running a brush through the cylinder, only moving parts really are the trigger, hammer, and the rotating cylinder so there's not a whole lot that can go wrong.

If you prefer something a little bit more modern and has more capacity, I would recommend a Springfield XD .40 S&W, it may take a little bit to get used to a .40 S&W but it's not that bad once you get the hand of it, it's no where near as bad as a .45, I'd stay away from 9mm.

A springfield XD can be had for about $624.00 brand new, you can probably get them much cheaper though from other outlets, i've seen them sold around 400 or less on many occasions.

http://www.thegunsource.com/store/item/75449_Hand_Guns_Pistols_Springfield_Armory_Springfield_XD_Pistol___X.aspx

taking them apart is very simple too, video



if this is out of your budget, I can make other recommendations as well and everything you need to buy a gun, feel free to PM me as well.

Ohhh, that's a cute little S&W there......

With a wooden handle...oooohhhhh, ahhhhhhhh.....