Should JTF go back to the old ways?

[Masha]

I'm talking about the fact that Chaim has changed his tone over the past year or two.  He said so himself.

I noticed a toned-down rhetotic in the last couple of months.

on askjtf?

where are the regular videos now?

Yes, when Chaim keeps emphasizing dozens if times per program that we are not racists. We are not against people's skin color. We are just against their culture.

Now my take is: who cares whether this is in their genes or their culture? Who cares? Let them do their own reserach and try to prove that their evilness, agressiveness, lazyness, stupidity is in their culture, not in their genes. I DON'T CARE WHERE IT RESIDES. For all I know, this culture/nature dichotomy may be totally false - a product of today's political correctness. And the truth is that you can't separate nature from culture. I don't want to be dragged into a discussion of whether black behavior is a result of their nature or culture. The moment I accept these terms, I have already surrendered to the discourse of political correctness of Global Multiculturalism. I will choose my own terms of debate and will not have them imposed on me.

I am very angry right now because a Jewish schoolmate of my daughter - a little guy, small for his age - was physically attacked and robbed by a black animal two days ago in the middle of the city at a bus stop. His money, bus card, cell phone - all were taken. He couldn't call his parents and couldn't take the bus home. His mother was calling around frantic. He is OK, luckily.

[Scriabin]

Yes, when Chaim keeps emphasizing dozens if times per program that we are not racists. We are not against people's skin color. We are just against their culture.

Now my take is: who cares whether this is in their genes or their culture? Who cares? Let them do their own reserach and try to prove that their evilness, agressiveness, lazyness, stupidity is in their culture, not in their genes. I DON'T CARE WHERE IT RESIDES. For all I know, this culture/nature dichotomy may be totally false - a product of today's political correctness. And the truth is that you can't separate nature from culture. I don't want to be dragged into a discussion of whether black behavior is a result of their nature or culture. The moment I accept these terms, I have already surrendered to the discourse of political correctness of Global Multiculturalism. I will choose my own terms of debate and will not have them imposed on me.

Great post.

[Masha]

Great post.

Thanks!

[RanterMaximus]

I prefer the older JTF.  This is not to discredit the way things are now, but I can say that for myself, and I am sure for so many of you, when I first discovered JTF is was that bold, take no prisoners style that drew me to it.  But if it is believed that a newer format is needed, I will respect that decision.

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

Chaim used to say n_gger.
He stopped that for the election.
Now that we have a w-gger for president, we should be able to say n_gger.

Really?  I don't remember him using that word.

Just a few years ago he said n_gger lots of times.
More than ten years ago, he used to refer to n_ggers as n_ggers outright.

In my opinion there are n_gers and there are African Americans. Not all people of color are n_gers and I make a distinction between the two. I know the difference and will not use a blanket term for all of those people.

muman613

 


 Anyway i think that using that word is now illegal, or soo I was told.

[Shlomo]

For example, look at our numbers.

They've never been lower.

Ok, I think I'll respond to this.

Are you serious? Our numbers have never been higher! We are growing by leaps and bounds!

Scriabin, you sound quite insulting and disrespectful to Chaim. I am just in shock at the bad attitude, language, and tone. You throw this type of argument out there as if our message has changed. I mean, what on earth are you so upset and angry about? You have a right to your opinion and you could have made your position clear without taking stabs at Chaim and our movement publicly in the forum. I am a bit taken back.

We are trying to become a mass movement to save Israel and America. Do you think that Rabbi Kahane would have a problem with our presentation? Perhaps you should think about this. We are FAR from being politically correct... FAR from it!

[Scriabin]

For example, look at our numbers.

They've never been lower.

Ok, I think I'll respond to this.

Are you serious? Our numbers have never been higher! We are growing by leaps and bounds!

Scriabin, you sound quite insulting and disrespectful to Chaim. I am just in shock at the bad attitude, language, and tone. You throw this type of argument out there as if our message has changed. I mean, what on earth are you so upset and angry about? You have a right to your opinion and you could have made your position clear without taking stabs at Chaim and our movement publicly in the forum. I am a bit taken back.

We are trying to become a mass movement to save Israel and America. Do you think that Rabbi Kahane would have a problem with our presentation? Perhaps you should think about this. We are FAR from being politically correct... FAR from it!

We're all entitled to our own opinions, are we not?

This isn't a cult, is it?

[Lisa]

Remember, Chaim is trying to get into Israel.  Therefore, we must come across as morally unassailable. 

[Scriabin]

I love Chaim and all that he has done for righteous people throughout his life.

Anyone that questions my respect for Chaim is no friend of mine.

In what way have I "taken stabs" at Chaim and JTF?

[CorrieDeservedIt]

By political correctness being put into place we're limiting our free speech. Then again the goal is to recruit rightous people and don't want to be portrayed as racist.

[briann]

How bout this?   After Obama gets in office... we should go back to being LESS P.C.   Once Obama kicks in his 'fairness doctrine' and puts JTF in his sites... I say... BRING IT ON!!!!

[Shlomo]

In what way have I "taken stabs" at Chaim and JTF?

Here:

I hope that Chaim forgoes the PC BS.

JTF is politically correct now...relatively speaking.

Political correctness [i.e. from JTF] be damned!

Free speech, without FEAR!

This isn't a cult, is it?

Posting that Chaim spouts "PC BS", asking if JTF is a cult, or stating that we are politically correct by using fear... I would safely say those things could be classified as "stabs". They certainly aren't compliments.

That's the thing about free speech and not having censorship. You get to state your opinion, which you obviously have, and I get to state mine.

[Scriabin]

In what way have I "taken stabs" at Chaim and JTF?

Here:

I hope that Chaim forgoes the PC BS.

JTF is politically correct now...relatively speaking.

Political correctness [i.e. from JTF] be damned!

Free speech, without FEAR!

This isn't a cult, is it?

Posting that Chaim spouts "PC BS", asking if JTF is a cult, or stating that we are politically correct by using fear... I would safely say those things could be classified as "stabs". They certainly aren't compliments.

That's the thing about free speech and not having censorship. You get to state your opinion, which you obviously have, and I get to state mine.

So what?

[SavetheWest]

I'm talking about the fact that Chaim has changed his tone over the past year or two.  He said so himself.

I noticed a toned-down rhetotic in the last couple of months.

on askjtf?

where are the regular videos now?

Yes, when Chaim keeps emphasizing dozens if times per program that we are not racists. We are not against people's skin color. We are just against their culture.

Now my take is: who cares whether this is in their genes or their culture? Who cares? Let them do their own reserach and try to prove that their evilness, agressiveness, lazyness, stupidity is in their culture, not in their genes. I DON'T CARE WHERE IT RESIDES. For all I know, this culture/nature dichotomy may be totally false - a product of today's political correctness. And the truth is that you can't separate nature from culture. I don't want to be dragged into a discussion of whether black behavior is a result of their nature or culture. The moment I accept these terms, I have already surrendered to the discourse of political correctness of Global Multiculturalism. I will choose my own terms of debate and will not have them imposed on me.

I am very angry right now because a Jewish schoolmate of my daughter - a little guy, small for his age - was physically attacked and robbed by a black animal two days ago in the middle of the city at a bus stop. His money, bus card, cell phone - all were taken. He couldn't call his parents and couldn't take the bus home. His mother was calling around frantic. He is OK, luckily.

People who don't live near ghetto blacks always have great opinions about them.  This idea that people who are "Rednecks" and have never seen black people and hate them because of it is completely false.  Most of the liberal white areas have 0 ghetto blacks and those are the places where they exalt them.

Also, in regards to having your phone stolen.  There's a program called www.loopt.com that you can install on your cell phone.  It will let you pinpoint your phones location within a block or so from a friends phone without any notification.  It's a good way to get your phone back!

Make sure you get a phone with aGPS technology (as opposed to GPS which just works off the towers) so you can find your phone even when it's off. These work off satellites and you can pay a visit to ther person who has your phone. 

[muman613]

NorthwestJTF,

I will tell you from my experience that I have exposure to blacks and have made my opinion based on my real life experiences. Let me relate to you that I had my nose broken by Venice Shoreline Crips back in 1988 when I lived in Marina Del Rey with my dad. During my crazy days of my 20s I lived in Venice and hooked up with some pretty unsavory characters. I did some very bad things back then and actually ended up living with some nuggers. I mean they were terrible, besides being crack dealers and junkies, they also were abusing their kid and not caring for him while they got high. They were involved with robbery and theft and basically would be considered wicked people. Yet I lived for 1 1/2 years in this environment. I was able to get out of it because I was smarter than the rest and because of a good job and moving out of the environment I was able to change my ways. These are the kinds of blacks who I would call nuggers because they even admitted that they wanted to stick it to whitey. I've heard that expression from a lot of nuggers because, to me, that's what makes em nuggers.

On the other hand I also know some very unsavory white folks who are thieves, who are sexually immoral, and drug fiends. It just so happens that more of these low-lifes I used to know are white {those still alive or in jail}.

I also happen to work with wonderful people from all around the world. Some of these people are black, some of them are French blacks, all kinds of people. And they are good people who work hard and contribute to the growth of my company. They are kind to me and I cannot harbor any hatred for them.

So my position is that judging people solely based on color of skin is not wise. All people have the ability to make something of themselves. I do know some black Orthodox Jews and they too are good and honest people. So lets call a spade a spade, and give credit where credit is due. Someone mentioned Bill Cosby whom I admire. His show is one of the only shows which star black Americans which really has stories with moral underpinnings. For this Cosby deserves quite a lot of merit.

muman613

[SavetheWest]

NorthwestJTF,

I will tell you from my experience that I have exposure to blacks and have made my opinion based on my real life experiences. Let me relate to you that I had my nose broken by Venice Shoreline Crips back in 1988 when I lived in Marina Del Rey with my dad. During my crazy days of my 20s I lived in Venice and hooked up with some pretty unsavory characters. I did some very bad things back then and actually ended up living with some nuggers. I mean they were terrible, besides being crack dealers and junkies, they also were abusing their kid and not caring for him while they got high. They were involved with robbery and theft and basically would be considered wicked people. Yet I lived for 1 1/2 years in this environment. I was able to get out of it because I was smarter than the rest and because of a good job and moving out of the environment I was able to change my ways. These are the kinds of blacks who I would call nuggers because they even admitted that they wanted to stick it to whitey. I've heard that expression from a lot of nuggers because, to me, that's what makes em nuggers.

On the other hand I also know some very unsavory white folks who are thieves, who are sexually immoral, and drug fiends. It just so happens that more of these low-lifes I used to know are white {those still alive or in jail}.

I also happen to work with wonderful people from all around the world. Some of these people are black, some of them are French blacks, all kinds of people. And they are good people who work hard and contribute to the growth of my company. They are kind to me and I cannot harbor any hatred for them.

So my position is that judging people solely based on color of skin is not wise. All people have the ability to make something of themselves. I do know some black Orthodox Jews and they too are good and honest people. So lets call a spade a spade, and give credit where credit is due. Someone mentioned Bill Cosby whom I admire. His show is one of the only shows which star black Americans which really has stories with moral underpinnings. For this Cosby deserves quite a lot of merit.

muman613

Muman

I don't hate anyone because of their race or skin color.  That's why I put "ghetto blacks."  I always mention that many people who come from Africa to America are hard working and not bad people.  I'm actually on the PC side of JTF I think.  I'm just so sick of everyone saying how great blacks are and white people are behind all the problems in the world.  I could easily say I hate black people because there's no repercussions online but I don't.  I think it would be horrible to look at a black person and say, "I hate him and there's nothing he can do to change being black."  I even think Bernie Mac (even with some scummy movies) had a good representation of a black family on his show.  He showed the ups and downs of family life but he has moral standards in the show and shows he cares for his adopted family. He doesn't "act white" and still does this. 

That being said, black ghetto culture is in conflict with civilization.  I don't care about any other group because they don't threaten me at all (except Muslims and Nazis of course).  I've been robbed only by blacks in my life and a large majority of black people in modern American society are outright hostile towards whites all the time.  Every black hip hop club in WA has to be shut down because of the constant fights and shootings.  It's not some isolated incident.  If you go to the movie or take a city bus you don't see Asians or Indians making an unbelievable amount of noise or getting into fights. 

Also, I'm not going to defend white people as perfect by any means.  There are countless examples just in my backyard of the scummiest white people you will ever see.  We have a ton of white urban garbadge that would make the most pro white person cringe.  That is a sign of declining morality and respect in our society.  Also, the vast majority of white garbadge tries to emulate black ghetto culture. 

Small towns used to be great places to live in WA.  Now they are nightmares with meth addicts everywhere and they can be just as dangerous as the ghetto. This is a sign of decline but blacks (with a 70% illegitimacy rate) have been leading the charge of the cliff.
Even now, white trash who break into cars and rip people off are still marginalized.  The worst parts of black culture are given bay most blacks as something they want to emulate.  You can't have a rational conversation with a black about it anyways because they will always protect the worst black garbadge if a white person is the one criticizing. 

[Dr. Dan]

By political correctness being put into place we're limiting our free speech. Then again the goal is to recruit rightous people and don't want to be portrayed as racist.

Listen, if you want your message to be effective for a certain cause, you have sometimes watch how you say things and not just rant them and say them...Otherwise, you'll be seen as a babbling idiot..

[Ulli]

Somebody doctored the no votes!

Hey, it happened often, that in the beginning of a poll here on the forum one wing was leading and later it turned, because of the dicussion, completely.

I didn't think somebody has falsified the poll.

[Ulli]

What - now all is changed 

[AsheDina]

  I voted YES.
  JTF is dying in USA, is it the motive here now to get RID of Americans on JTF?  I realize that the movement in Israel is big, and this is great.  There is NO place for American Christians to support Israel now, and USA effects Israel and the vc/versa.  I liked doing audios, I dont know HOW to put them up, some of my audios were late getting put up, and now David does none, b/c Davids concern is America, since neither one of us now can probably ever go to Israel.     Besides, what people are NOT getting, is that CHRISTIANS are the ONES that will be facing the holocaust here in USA, with a COMMUNIST in charge.  THEY NEED US NOW, not the vc/versa.

  David ben Moshe told me that this forum use to have MANY visitors- a LOT, I know he is telling the TRUTH.  You people that are the leaders need to RE GROUP and figure OUT WHAT has happened here, b/c My free speech here is NOT ALLOWED, so- I will say NO more.

[Scriabin]

  I voted YES.
  JTF is dying in USA, is it the motive here now to get RID of Americans on JTF?  I realize that the movement in Israel is big, and this is great.  There is NO place for American Christians to support Israel now, and USA effects Israel and the vc/versa.  I liked doing audios, I dont know HOW to put them up, some of my audios were late getting put up, and now David does none, b/c Davids concern is America, since neither one of us now can probably ever go to Israel.     Besides, what people are NOT getting, is that CHRISTIANS are the ONES that will be facing the holocaust here in USA, with a COMMUNIST in charge.  THEY NEED US NOW, not the vc/versa.

  David ben Moshe told me that this forum use to have MANY visitors- a LOT, I know he is telling the TRUTH.  You people that are the leaders need to RE GROUP and figure OUT WHAT has happened here, b/c My free speech here is NOT ALLOWED, so- I will say NO more.

David is GREATLY missed!

Tell him I said 'hi'.

[briann]

People who don't live near ghetto blacks always have great opinions about them.  This idea that people who are "Rednecks" and have never seen black people and hate them because of it is completely false.  Most of the liberal white areas have 0 ghetto blacks and those are the places where they exalt them.

Yes... which explains why Maine voted 65% Obama...  but the whites in the south voted 65% Mccaine.

[briann]

WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON??  Somebody doctored the votes??  This is seriously frightening if it is true!!!

[Scriabin]

WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON??  Somebody doctored the votes??  This is seriously frightening if it is true!!!

Yeah, its sadly true.

[Baltimore]

  I voted YES.
  JTF is dying in USA, is it the motive here now to get RID of Americans on JTF?  I realize that the movement in Israel is big, and this is great.  There is NO place for American Christians to support Israel now, and USA effects Israel and the vc/versa.  I liked doing audios, I dont know HOW to put them up, some of my audios were late getting put up, and now David does none, b/c Davids concern is America, since neither one of us now can probably ever go to Israel.     Besides, what people are NOT getting, is that CHRISTIANS are the ONES that will be facing the holocaust here in USA, with a COMMUNIST in charge.  THEY NEED US NOW, not the vc/versa.

  David ben Moshe told me that this forum use to have MANY visitors- a LOT, I know he is telling the TRUTH.  You people that are the leaders need to RE GROUP and figure OUT WHAT has happened here, b/c My free speech here is NOT ALLOWED, so- I will say NO more.

Your rant is borderline delusional. Please state your sources that deal with the number of visitors to this site?  My source is the bottom of the main forum page:
 Most Online Ever: 1753 (September 08, 2008, 09:12:39 AM)

The forum is just as popular as it ever was and it gains new members everyday. This entire thread is filled with paranoia and baseless accusations. Chaim has not changed, Chaim is not PC, and JTF continues to grow and say things that no mainstream person would dare say.