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For some reason, I'm not scared of Obama (yet)
Mishmaat:
--- Quote from: Dr. Dan on November 10, 2008, 11:29:38 AM ---I don't know. Except for us, it seems, there are a lot of happy hopeful people in the streets. There seems to be a lot of optimism on Obama. Even from my point of view, he doesn't come off to be a creep like Bill Clinton or any typical politician (yet).
I do worry, however that some of his point of views can harm our nation and Israel and make it weaker...He has come from a background that none of us find to be acceptable.
However, it seems there are a lot of motivated people out there. I know Chaim mentioned in the last program how some black children were all saying, "I wanna be a surgeon" or "I wanna be President" or "I wanna be an engineer" etc etc etc. I can hardly believe how that is a bad thing that they want to be something that socially acceptable...and not a pimp or a drug dealer or gang rape rap artist or a giraffe basketball player or gorilla football player. Don't we want to see blacks live accetable lifestyles and work hard and be motivated rather than lazy and annoying and angry?
The only thing I want to see removed is affirmative action for blacks. I would rather be a type of affirmative action for anyone who is gifted but poor irregardless of color. That way, we won't have someone wanting to be a surgeon and beocming a surgeon but being a terrible unqualified corrupt surgeon, if you konw what I mean.
However, how can it be bad if blacks are happy and motivated to live decent lives? Better than anger and a life of crime.
What do you guys think?
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Chaim's answer was concise and to the point. But have we forgotten already that Obama was an affirmative-action Presidential candidate? Do you honestly think he would have gotten this far if he were white? Dr. Dan, c'mon now. Barack Obama didn't make it on merit! How the heck can he inspire people to become legitimate professionals based on merit? I love your idealism, but you have to also be a realist. We're going to see an acceleration of racist affirmative-action programs under Obama!
IsraelForever:
--- Quote from: Chaim Ben Pesach on November 10, 2008, 06:29:35 PM ---I understand what you mean, Chaim. What I'm trying to get at is the fact that there are many blacks who despair and get angry and choose crime...what if obama give some young blacks to get out of their doldrums and realize that even a black man can become president..and as a result of that, given them hope to work at something (hopefully) and get there? Isn't that better than them encouraging crime and having 10 babies each from 10 different men and goign on welfare and creating more jealous religions? Am I goign about this in the wrong logic?
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Yes, I think your logic is off-track.
Did the election of David Dinkins as Mayor of New York lead blacks in a better direction?
Did giving blacks control of South Africa and Rhodesia lead to blacks becoming better?
Did the election of Nelson Mandela improve black behavior in South Africa?
Did removing the European colonialists from Africa, and granting independence to dozens of African countries, lead to better black behavior?
You want more black doctors, lawyers, professors, engineers, teachers, businessmen? That is what we will be getting now and 99% of them will be completely unqualified. The standards will be lowered even further to let them in. Just look at "doctors" in Africa and other Third World areas. That is where we are headed now.
The only possible good result from this would be if an Obama presidency finally teaches whites a lesson on how crazy it is to put blacks in charge of anything. If there is a white blacklash that leads to a Palin victory in 2012, that would be a positive result.
The question is, can America and Israel survive this for the next four years with Iran building nuclear bombs?
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This is a brilliant response!!!!! And your very last sentence is what terrifies me most right now, because when a madman comes right out and says he wants the destruction of Israel, my heart sinks thinking that this same madman will be allowed a nuclear bomb. If only Menachem Begin were leading Israel now, I could sleep a lot better.
Zevida:
--- Quote from: ProJewCatholic on November 10, 2008, 06:33:08 PM ---THIS IS MADNESS!!!!!
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This is Sparta! LOL (Sorry, had to). But while we're on the subject, maybe we should be kicking some people into a large pit?
Anyway, I am scared that Obama will be president in January. I just hope he spends the first 4 years doing nothing so he can try to get re-elected. Then we can get rid of him in 2012.
Daleksfearme:
Hello all,
Science has proven that all humans are 99.9 percent the same at our most basic genetic level. The remaining differences are minor variations based solely on geography. (people from different areas of the world have different resistance to certain diseases, or a tendency toward the same hair color etc as that trait is commen in that area.) It is also a commen misconception that modern science postulates that humans, or any other organism, adapt to their environment. Change is the result of random mutations that occur over very Long periods of time. Most of the time, these random changes are lethal, and the new trait is not passed on to the next generation. Every once in a while, one of these changes is of benefit, and thus passed on to the next generation.
African Americans or any other of the black population are therefore by no means a separate race. Any difference in worldview then becomes a social and cultural issue. Cultural issues are a learned behavior, It is not hard wired into our genes. There fore I agree with Dr Dan. Why not be pleased when children aspire to become productive members of society? Members of the black community such as Bill Cosby have been very Critical of certain aspects of black culture for years. Unfortunately, their voices have been drown out by the allure of money and "status" that is associated with the music industry, sports etc.
Perhaps now this will start to change
Zelhar:
--- Quote from: Daleksfearme on November 11, 2008, 11:40:30 AM ---Hello all,
Science has proven that all humans are 99.9 percent the same at our most basic genetic level. The remaining differences are minor variations based solely on geography. (people from different areas of the world have different resistance to certain diseases, or a tendency toward the same hair color etc as that trait is commen in that area.) It is also a commen misconception that modern science postulates that humans, or any other organism, adapt to their environment. Change is the result of random mutations that occur over very Long periods of time. Most of the time, these random changes are lethal, and the new trait is not passed on to the next generation. Every once in a while, one of these changes is of benefit, and thus passed on to the next generation.
African Americans or any other of the black population are therefore by no means a separate race. Any difference in worldview then becomes a social and cultural issue. Cultural issues are a learned behavior, It is not hard wired into our genes. There fore I agree with Dr Dan. Why not be pleased when children aspire to become productive members of society? Members of the black community such as Bill Cosby have been very Critical of certain aspects of black culture for years. Unfortunately, their voices have been drown out by the allure of money and "status" that is associated with the music industry, sports etc.
Perhaps now this will start to change
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I heard homo sapience shares over 98% of Its DNA with the Chimpanzee. Of course Blacks constitute a human race. Nevertheless there is nothing wrong with Blacks aspiring for high achievements, the thing is they aspire to high status and expect it to handed to them with little or no effort. This is how Sadam Hussein Obama, a stupid pot head, got into Harvard, was elected as the chief editor of the Harvard law review and eventually cruised all the way to white house.
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