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[Rubystars]

why is the title "(Warning: Swazis in Thread)"

I put the warning in when the pictures were still visible because those images can hurt people.
I can remove it from the main thread now.

One of my friends sent me this text from wikipedia:
Following his assassination of Gandhi, he was put on trial beginning May 27, 1948. During the trial, he did not defend any charge and openly admitted that he killed Gandhi. On November 8, 1949 Godse was sentenced to death for the killing. Godse's legal team was savaged by critics for not introducing considerable evidence that their client was mentally unbalanced and/or manipulated by others. Among those calling for commutation of the death sentence for both defendants were Nehru and Gandhi's two sons who felt that the two men on trial were pawns of RSS higher-ups and, in any case, executing their fathers's killers would dishonor his memory and legacy which included a staunch opposition to the death penalty. Godse was hanged at Ambala Jail on November 15, 1949,along with Narayan Apte, the other conspirator. Savarkar was also charged with conspiracy in the assassination of Gandhi, but was acquitted and subsequently released. Godse stipulated that his ashes were not to be deposited in a body of water according to Hindu dictates, but rather were to be held in storage until they could be deposited in The Sindhu after Pakistan had been reunited with India. For years, his brother kept Godse's ashes over his fireplace and held an annual salute to "the hero martyrs" on the anniversary of the assassination.

[✡ Hindu Zionist ॐ]

Let me try that again.  The liberal Christians are also responsible for helping the Maoists terrorists.  What nation should put up with that though? 

The Hindu nationalists think India should be a Hindu state, but where does that leave minorities? Where should they turn? Who will save them from the beasts who come to beat them, murder them and rape their wives and kill their children?

Hinduism must have its own form of Taqqiya because I've certainly seen a lot of double talk from the Hindus.

So according to you HIndus are uncivilized and they need western forces to keep them civilized?

[✡ Hindu Zionist ॐ]

It is becase Hindu,Christians are fighting among themself, Muslims are becoming stronger, Let not digress from the issue at hand.

[Lisa]

why is the title "(Warning: Swazis in Thread)"

Rubystars was just trying to take into account the feeling of Jewish members here.  

[SavetheWest]

The British slaughtered thousands of unarmed Indians and invaded their nation and made them 2nd class citizens in their own land.  That same British government also committed genocide against the Irish by sending food out of Ireland when people were starving.

I will submit that the British did have a great influence on the education systems around the world and stopped some bad practices but they were still not welcome.

I'd like you and others to answer this for me. How can we say we don't want America and the West to become third world banana republics, then turn around and buddy up to a third world banana republic? This makes no sense to me.

I don't want all of India or any nation to move their citizens here.  America should be strong, culuturaly unique but can coexist with other nations.  I don't want America to start conquering other nations unless they are compeltely evil.  I respect Indians, they have always been hard working and respectful people.  I know there are horrible problems there but as with Obama's election, we have problems too.  I also think righteous, nationalist, non Nazi movements are what is needed for the coming onslaught of Muslims.  I don't agree with Hinduism as a religion but they don't threaten me and they haven't been bent on regional conquest since the year 800 or something.  
I think Christians who have lived in the north becasue nof the Portugese colonies there, should have their religion respected and fully practiced.  I want to see Christians reach out to people and become clser to G-d but I don't like the tactice in India and they reek of hippy-liberal, problem starting liberation theology in many places.  I want to live to respect other people as long as they are peaceful and have basic morals.

[✡ Hindu Zionist ॐ]

why is the title "(Warning: Swazis in Thread)"

I put the warning in when the pictures were still visible because those images can hurt people.
I can remove it from the main thread now.

One of my friends sent me this text from wikipedia:
Following his assassination of Gandhi, he was put on trial beginning May 27, 1948. During the trial, he did not defend any charge and openly admitted that he killed Gandhi. On November 8, 1949 Godse was sentenced to death for the killing. Godse's legal team was savaged by critics for not introducing considerable evidence that their client was mentally unbalanced and/or manipulated by others. Among those calling for commutation of the death sentence for both defendants were Nehru and Gandhi's two sons who felt that the two men on trial were pawns of RSS higher-ups and, in any case, executing their fathers's killers would dishonor his memory and legacy which included a staunch opposition to the death penalty. Godse was hanged at Ambala Jail on November 15, 1949,along with Narayan Apte, the other conspirator. Savarkar was also charged with conspiracy in the assassination of Gandhi, but was acquitted and subsequently released. Godse stipulated that his ashes were not to be deposited in a body of water according to Hindu dictates, but rather were to be held in storage until they could be deposited in The Sindhu after Pakistan had been reunited with India. For years, his brother kept Godse's ashes over his fireplace and held an annual salute to "the hero martyrs" on the anniversary of the assassination.

ok thanks for clarifying abt the title.

i know about that wiki link.

[Rubystars]

Let me try that again.  The liberal Christians are also responsible for helping the Maoists terrorists.  What nation should put up with that though? 

The Hindu nationalists think India should be a Hindu state, but where does that leave minorities? Where should they turn? Who will save them from the beasts who come to beat them, murder them and rape their wives and kill their children?

Hinduism must have its own form of Taqqiya because I've certainly seen a lot of double talk from the Hindus.

So according to you HIndus are uncivilized and they need western forces to keep them civilized?

What do you call huge levels of female infanticide and abortion? Civilized? What do you call the temple of Karni Mata where a kitchen is dedicated to feeding filthy rats while the poor of India go to bed hungry? Civilized? What do you call it when cows roam the streets and people starve watching them pass by rather than make them into hamburgers? What do you call it when you have a brutal caste system that says some people, human beings, just as good as any other human being, are deemd "untouchable"? What do you call it when brides were burned if families couldn't come up with the right amount of dowry? What do you call it when a widow wasn't allowed to remarry, even if they got married as a child and didn't remember their marriage ceremony?

India has big problems and I certainly think they need to work on that. I do think every people should govern themselves if they can, but I don't know if every people is equally capable of such. Certainly the British did their best to put a halt to some of the more horrific things like Bride and Widow burning.

[SavetheWest]

India is also very, very different from other thrid world nations.  They are probably not even third world anymore. I wouldn't compare them to Honudras, Vietnam or Burundi by any means.  They have also treated Jews very well compared to most nations.

[briann]

Let me try that again.  The liberal Christians are also responsible for helping the Maoists terrorists.  What nation should put up with that though? 

The Hindu nationalists think India should be a Hindu state, but where does that leave minorities? Where should they turn? Who will save them from the beasts who come to beat them, murder them and rape their wives and kill their children?

Hinduism must have its own form of Taqqiya because I've certainly seen a lot of double talk from the Hindus.

So according to you HIndus are uncivilized and they need western forces to keep them civilized?

What do you call huge levels of female infanticide and abortion? Civilized? What do you call the temple of Karni Mata where a kitchen is dedicated to feeding filthy rats while the poor of India go to bed hungry? Civilized? What do you call it when cows roam the streets and people starve watching them pass by rather than make them into hamburgers? What do you call it when you have a brutal caste system that says some people, human beings, just as good as any other human being, are deemd "untouchable"? What do you call it when brides were burned if families couldn't come up with the right amount of dowry? What do you call it when a widow wasn't allowed to remarry, even if they got married as a child and didn't remember their marriage ceremony?

India has big problems and I certainly think they need to work on that. I do think every people should govern themselves if they can, but I don't know if every people is equally capable of such. Certainly the British did their best to put a halt to some of the more horrific things like Bride and Widow burning.

This is getting kind of mean spirited here.  I have a lot of Hindu friends... and they are not barbarics at all.  Sure... some of their customs are strange... but don't lump them in with the scum of the planet.

[syyuge]

Hinduism has always been the faith of India and they have been subject to Christian and Muslim invasions.  There are druids and Christians who live in Israel and they are allowed to live there.

When Britain controlled India they put a stop to some of the more horrific customs or at least reduced them. I think Indians were better off under British rule. Nevertheless if India is to be independent it needs to recognize all its people, not just the Hindus.

Independence and integrity and existence of India are not conditional and not subjective. If the matters come to such an impasse, then Hindus and Sikhs all etc. will forget all their differences and castes and all will automatically get converted to priests and warriors and G_D willing shall fight against the evil till it is completely uprooted and eliminated from the earth, whatsoever it means.

[✡ Hindu Zionist ॐ]

Let me try that again.  The liberal Christians are also responsible for helping the Maoists terrorists.  What nation should put up with that though? 

The Hindu nationalists think India should be a Hindu state, but where does that leave minorities? Where should they turn? Who will save them from the beasts who come to beat them, murder them and rape their wives and kill their children?

Hinduism must have its own form of Taqqiya because I've certainly seen a lot of double talk from the Hindus.

So according to you HIndus are uncivilized and they need western forces to keep them civilized?

What do you call huge levels of female infanticide and abortion? Civilized? What do you call the temple of Karni Mata where a kitchen is dedicated to feeding filthy rats while the poor of India go to bed hungry? Civilized? What do you call it when cows roam the streets and people starve watching them pass by rather than make them into hamburgers? What do you call it when you have a brutal caste system that says some people, human beings, just as good as any other human being, are deemd "untouchable"? What do you call it when brides were burned if families couldn't come up with the right amount of dowry? What do you call it when a widow wasn't allowed to remarry, even if they got married as a child and didn't remember their marriage ceremony?

India has big problems and I certainly think they need to work on that. I do think every people should govern themselves if they can, but I don't know if every people is equally capable of such. Certainly the British did their best to put a halt to some of the more horrific things like Bride and Widow burning.

i undersatnd your concern abt hindu women..etc i would liked to clarify that these customs have no mention in any holy books of Hindus, it came due to the situation pervalent at that time.. under Moghul Islamic rule.. will have to write in brief, this is not the thread for that, maybe some other time.

[Rubystars]

I'm not mean spirited at all. Everything I've stated in this thread you can look up for yourself. I don't have a problem with Indians or even nice Hindu people. I just have a problem with the Hindu militants who hurt minorities. I don't agree with the Hindu religion, that's true, and there are rituals I do think the Indian government should forcibly put a stop to, but I don't hate  Indians. I've been defending Indians in this entire thread, Sikhs and Christians who live in India.

[SavetheWest]

The British were the first nation to start a concentration camp in the Boer War in 1902 and killed women and children whne they were losing.  They passed the "corn laws" in Ireland where they shipped corn out of the country for profit while people starved to death.  The British refused to grant Israel nationhood until the Irgun made it happen. I don't have to tell you about the American experience where they shot unarmed Americans in Boston and hung Americans fighting for freedom. I still know that Britain had a huge positive impact culutrally, scientifically, economically that made the world a better place at the same time.  
India keeping cows sacred and not eating animals I find totally not for me but I don't see how it's a problem.  The rat temple is always on TV because it's so wierd.  We have people in America who worship comets and also have offshoots from Christianity that are totally off the wall.  I think India banned the practice of burning the widows a long time ago although ti may still happen.  

India can't be singled out for abortions from the US or the West.  

[Lisa]

People, please let's not all get into a fight here.  

This whole thread is becoming very awkward, and I don't want that to happen.  There are some things we might have to agree to disagree on.  

As you all know, JTF wants a Torah-true Kahanist Jewish state of Israel.  That means neutralizing and getting rid of the Arab fifth column threat.  India is in a similar position to Israel, even though they're a bigger country.  So with all the terrorist attacks they've faced, I can't really blame them for wanting India to be a Hindu country where Sikhs, Jains and Christians and other non-troublemakers can freely practice their religions.

As a Jew, I don't like seeing any religious group persecuted.  However, I should also remind everyone that JTF vehemently opposes missionizing to Jews.  So I personally will not criticize Hindu Zionist for wanting the same thing in his own country.  Now with that being said, I don't think JTF should align with any political party that persecutes minorities, since Jews have always been a minority.  

We need to think about this.  We want America to remain a First World country (as in mostly white, with Judeo-Christian values).  We want a Torah true Kahanist Jewish state in Israel.  We want Europe to remain non-Muslim.  So while we won't agree with Hindu Zionist on everything, we should support them against the Muslim threat.

[Rubystars]

India is targeting girls for abortions specifically. Indian women can be beaten if they give birth to a girl.

[SavetheWest]

I think India is coming to a new part of its history. 
Everything from corruption to the treatment of women probably will change.  Maybe there will be a Hindu-type reformation that will treat the castes better.  Whatever happens, a weak India is bad for all of us because it has 250 million Muslims and Muslim Bangladesh, China and Muslim Pakistan are at its front door.  Christians would be in real trouble if it became a Muslim country as the Christians are in trouble in Pakistan. The BJP has to address the Christian-Hindu problem.  The other option is the Congress party, which has many Muslims and has become an Obama type party with leadership from people like Indira Gandhi.   They will ruin India and trun it towards green socialism which would be a disaster. 

[✡ Hindu Zionist ॐ]

India is targeting girls for abortions specifically. Indian women can be beaten if they give birth to a girl.

many Indian women have ruled India, if what you are saying was really a serious case in India, then Female rule wouldnt have been seen in India. I would like you to google Bollywood.

[Rubystars]

People, please let's not all get into a fight here.  We need to think about this.  We want America to remain a First World country (as in mostly white, with Judeo-Christian values).  We want a Torah true Kahanist Jewish state in Israel.  We want Europe to remain white, non-Muslim.  So while we won't agree with Hindu Zionist on everything, we should support them against the Muslim threat.

Lisa I don't like Muslims but one of the videos I saw was about how they had thrown acid on a Muslim woman. You could see the burn marks all over her body. The Hindu nationalists attack unarmed minorities like Christian pastors and women.

In one of the videos there was a Christian Indian woman who said she'd been raped and told she would have to give up her Christian faith and become a Hindu, but she refused, and they hurt her badly. As she told her story she started to cry. I stand with that brave and loyal woman, not with these Hindu nationalists who refuse to acknowledge the rights of their fellow Indians.

India is not a Hindu land. It's a land of Hindus, Christians, Sikhs, Jews, Buddhists, and others. They have no right to force people to be Hindu or to impose a Hindu government on the minorities.

This is not like Israel at all. God gave Israel to the Jewish people. That's the difference.

I call the RSS supporters liars because they know they are lying and hiding the truth. I care about our members and don't want them to be deceived.

[SavetheWest]

India is targeting girls for abortions specifically. Indian women can be beaten if they give birth to a girl.

Thats horrible but Planned Parenthood does the same here.

[Rubystars]

India is targeting girls for abortions specifically. Indian women can be beaten if they give birth to a girl.

Thats horrible but Planned Parenthood does the same here.

They are evil and opposed by JTF.

[✡ Hindu Zionist ॐ]

People, please let's not all get into a fight here.  We need to think about this.  We want America to remain a First World country (as in mostly white, with Judeo-Christian values).  We want a Torah true Kahanist Jewish state in Israel.  We want Europe to remain white, non-Muslim.  So while we won't agree with Hindu Zionist on everything, we should support them against the Muslim threat.

Lisa I don't like Muslims but one of the videos I saw was about how they had thrown acid on a Muslim woman. You could see the burn marks all over her body. The Hindu nationalists attack unarmed minorities like Christian pastors and women.

In one of the videos there was a Christian Indian woman who said she'd been raped and told she would have to give up her Christian faith and become a Hindu, but she refused, and they hurt her badly. As she told her story she started to cry. I stand with that brave and loyal woman, not with these Hindu nationalists who refuse to acknowledge the rights of their fellow Indians.

India is not a Hindu land. It's a land of Hindus, Christians, Sikhs, Jews, Buddhists, and others. They have no right to force people to be Hindu or to impose a Hindu government on the minorities.

This is not like Israel at all. G-d gave Israel to the Jewish people. That's the difference.

I call the RSS supporters liars because they know they are lying and hiding the truth. I care about our members and don't want them to be deceived.

first of all you have turned a blind eye on my links, where the UK government declared RSS like organisations as not being involved in Hindu-Christian violence.

Secondly,the Muslim women thing, i would which video you saw.. the documentary "Final Solution" It was made by Commie with Muslim funding. Do you even know why Hindus reacted this way? cause 59 Hindu civilians including women and children were burnt alive by Islamic terrorists who lived in near by villages and protected by their families.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Gujarat_violence

and yes Christians,Sikhs,Parsis,Jews everyone can live in Hindu State of India, just like they live in Jewish State of Israel.

[SavetheWest]

People, please let's not all get into a fight here.  We need to think about this.  We want America to remain a First World country (as in mostly white, with Judeo-Christian values).  We want a Torah true Kahanist Jewish state in Israel.  We want Europe to remain white, non-Muslim.  So while we won't agree with Hindu Zionist on everything, we should support them against the Muslim threat.

Lisa I don't like Muslims but one of the videos I saw was about how they had thrown acid on a Muslim woman. You could see the burn marks all over her body. The Hindu nationalists attack unarmed minorities like Christian pastors and women.

In one of the videos there was a Christian Indian woman who said she'd been raped and told she would have to give up her Christian faith and become a Hindu, but she refused, and they hurt her badly. As she told her story she started to cry. I stand with that brave and loyal woman, not with these Hindu nationalists who refuse to acknowledge the rights of their fellow Indians.

India is not a Hindu land. It's a land of Hindus, Christians, Sikhs, Jews, Buddhists, and others. They have no right to force people to be Hindu or to impose a Hindu government on the minorities.

This is not like Israel at all. G-d gave Israel to the Jewish people. That's the difference.

I call the RSS supporters liars because they know they are lying and hiding the truth. I care about our members and don't want them to be deceived.

Hindus have been the orginal and first faith in India.  There have been atrocities committed against Christians but the reason they have been pushed by the NYT, ABC CBS, CNN is because Muslims want Christians and Hindus to turn against each other.  Every article and video about oppressed minorities mentions the Muslims who are supposedly oppressed in India.  You have to see more Muslim propaganda to see why they are pushing the Christian angle.  They hope Christians will turn against Hindus and then Muslims can say, "see we belive in Jesus too."  They want to divide and conquer and have an eager ear from the pro Muslim media.  

[Rubystars]

You have an excuse for every evil thing your people do HZ.

[SavetheWest]

India is targeting girls for abortions specifically. Indian women can be beaten if they give birth to a girl.

Thats horrible but Planned Parenthood does the same here.

They are evil and opposed by JTF.

and they don't represent America

[✡ Hindu Zionist ॐ]

You have an excuse for every evil thing your people do.

and you seem to have no faith in American,UK,India, Israeli government which give visas to RSS/BJP  organisation/leaders and allow them to operate in their shores, and rightly so.. they are not the trouble makers. Muslims are