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sat_chit_anand:

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Let us examine the American plans carefully. Recently we've got a sneak preview of their campaign. The US plans to destroy Iraq, invade Syria, break Saudi Arabia into a few parts, separate the oil fields, pass them in the hands of Israel, and finish off with Egypt. The news was broken gently by a Jewish Lobby man, Laurent Murawiec, who works under aegis of the Defence Policy Board Chairman Richard N. Perle. This hawk, a friend of Sharon, a devoted Zionist and a suspected Israeli mole, calls for seizure of the Arabian oil fields, transfer of Mecca and Medina unto Hashemite rule and confiscation of Saudi assets.

He represents a voice of many American Jews. In the prestigious Jewish World Review, a columnist Jonah Goldberg calls: "Baghdad must be destroyed. America should go to war with Iraq even if that risks innocent Iraqi - and American - lives". Professor David D. Perlmutter in LA Times[ii] is even more explicit: "I daydream - if only! If in 1948, 1956, 1967 or 1973 Israel had acted just a bit like the Third Reich, then today Jews, not sheiks, would have that Gulf oil'. Endless abbreviations, think tanks, institutes connected to the powerful Jewish community in the US are interwoven into a dense spider-net around Pentagon and the White House. And they are the moving force behind the new Drang nach Osten of President Bush.

Jews pushing for Armageddon

Let us face the unpleasant reality: the Jewish elites of the US are pushing for the Armageddon, or in your Norse tradition, for Ragnarok, the Doomsday war, in order to establish the Jewish state at the top of the world. It is a plan of megalomaniac, but these megalomaniacs are in control of the only superpower, as well as of their nuclear-powered Middle-Eastern bridgehead.

"Oh no, you say. We know Jews, a wonderful clever peaceful and pleasant folk. It should be some mistake". Let me remind you a short story by the American writer and poet of 19th century, Edgar Allan Poe about Germany of his days. He depicts Germans as placid and peaceful folk, much given to growing cabbage, playing piano, constructing clocks, smoking pipe and talking philosophy. It is exactly the picture of Germans presented by Mark Twain in his travelogues.

This image apparently corresponded to reality, and a German officer was a witness at my grandparents' wedding in the days of German occupation of Minsk in 1916. Some 25 years later, my grandparents decided to flee the advancing German army, while their Jewish neighbours laughed at them: "you fell for the Bolshevik propaganda, there is no reason to run away, the Germans are wonderful peaceful folk and the best friends of Jews". Still, my grandparents took flight and were saved from the cruel einsatzcommando, from the Germans who did not care much about pipes and cabbage.

People can change, and if peaceful Germans could become for a while a walking horror of the world, so can Jews. I do sincerely hope that as the Germans came back to their normal selves, so will the Jews, but I do not think it will happen by itself. There is an infection and it is spreading fast. It is caused by the inherent racism of the Jewish state. On my way to Ben Gurion airport, I bought Haaretz, our main liberal newspaper. It contained a dispute between our chief of staff, Buki Ayalon and our previous Labour Prime Minister, Ehud Barak. Ayalon compared the Palestinians with cancer growth, while the vice-chairman of Socialist International, Barak completely disagreed: they are rather a virus, he said.

This racism spread over the Jewish communities like a forest fire. Provided the Jews are the prominent part of the American and to lesser degree European elites, they communicate the disease to the rest. Their newspapers and their film studios preach racism, hatred to Muslims, Germans, French and to everybody else, including the ordinary white working folk and the blacks of the United States.

In your Norse tradition, an evil cunning Loki cheated the gentle but blind Hod and caused him to kill his brother, shining Balder, this Nordic pre-figuration of Christ. Now, Loki again tries to cause the war between the brothers. It is our duty and our right to refuse Loki's advices and to stop the Ragnarok.

Solution for Palestine

It can't be done without attending to Palestine. For years, I would say: Palestine/Israel must be transformed into a democratic state, where Jews and Palestinians will live happily ever after, as equals. But the Democratic State wouldn't be a Jewish state, people would object. That is the best part of it, I would say. The Jewish state is as bad as the Aryan state, and whoever rejects the Aryan state, should reject the Jewish state, as well. Without the Jewish state, the Jews of the US and other lands will return to their normal life, will forget the wet dreams of the world domination and become law-abiding citizens of their respective countries.

Until now, only our wonderful comrades, friends of Palestine, had supported this idea. But now it becomes necessary - not only for the sake of the Palestinians, these noble courageous and hard-working people, but for the sake of all of us, for the sake of the world peace. There are Israelis who would like to live in peace with their Palestinian neighbours, in peace with churches and mosques, but we can not counteract the external forces supporting Sharon the Evil and Peres the Cunning. Good Israelis and their Palestinian allies can't win, unless their adversary's supply lines are cut, as in the Thor story.

The tale hath it, Thor the Mighty came to Utgard to boast his prowess. The gods of Utgard challenged him to drink up the Golden horn. He drunk and drunk, but the horn had remained forever full. It was no miracle: the horn was connected to the sea. Only by severing the umbilical tie, he could meet the challenge and drink up the horn. If you, people of Europe, would block the sea of external support, we, Israelis and Palestinians, will be able to change the things on the ground and bring equality to Palestine and Israel.

The deconstruction of the Jewish state, its conversion into a state for all its citizens would become an important cardinal point in human development. Instead of being the pilot project of globalization, the Holy Land can become an ideal of integration. The invaders and the local folk will merge, as your ancestors the Normans did in East Anglia, Sicily and Normandy, as the children of Provencal Crusaders became Palestinians in the hilly villages of Sinjil and Gifna, while the Jews overseas will become again the blessing of their communities, like my sainted ancestor in your marvellous cathedral city.

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http://www.bnp.org.uk/articles/shamir_sunnydays.htm

Kahanism does not represent the what Shamir is disapproving of. If it did, there would be a Kahanist government in Israel.

So how do we defend Israel, the Jewish people and the Kahanist viewpoint against accusations like the above?

MassuhDGoodName:
sat_chit_anand,

The essay to which you link, attributed to one speech made in Trondheim, Norway, by the infamous (if at all even existant) "Israel Shamir", is completely insane, and the webpage on which it is found appears to be a hacked web-forgery of the types often seen on rense.com or other "lunatic fringe" web sites.

If indeed the BNP is promoting such nonsense as sound political rhetoric, then I can only conclude that the party and movement is doomed from the onset by virtue of its being completely psychotic and indistinguishable from Aryan-Nations/Odin cults.

Again, I greatly suspect the web page has been hacked.

Bear in mind, that the Socialist Unions in Norway are given time off to stage official (world disarmament) demonstrations praising one Mordechai Vanunu; arguably the most mentally ill psychotic Israeli in history; not to mention a TRAITOR to his people, faith, and homeland.

Please clarify your own position(s) regarding what I have inferred above.

sat_chit_anand:
The article is dated and (I think) should be removed from the BNP website.

Until quite recently Shamir's books were available from the BNP merchandising department. I find that distasteful, but there have been a lot of changes since that article was put into the website and since his books were being sold.

The article does look like a lunatic fringe concoction of some sort, but the party membership does include a number of Odinists who would find that article interesting. Political parties do have to satisfy their members, and the 'extremists' were the first to jump aboard.

Something which has changed the BNP has been the addition of Rev. Robert West into the fold:

http://www.bnp.org.uk/news_detail.php?newsId=927

There are a large number of Christians in the party. The party has been growing and changing. The Chairman, the website, the 'editorial style' all change their approach to suit the membership, and party has a democratic-meritocratic structure which allows the party to evolve.

This is more representative of current opinion:

http://www.bnp.org.uk/columnists/chairman2.php?ngId=30

Trumpeldor:
The key to winning debates is finding flaws in the logical structure of their argument. You do not need to squabble about details or facts. Attack their premises and do not yield an inch. If you are asked a slanted question, do not answer it until you've poked enough holes in the assumptions of the questions.

A lot of this takes practice. The bottom line is that you do not cede any premises or assumptions. If you do, you may win the battle but you will have lost the war.

Din Rodef:
Tell 'em "Nile to Euphrates"

That's what I do and it works every time.... give 'em what they want to hear.

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