Author Topic: Rabbi: "Gazans Aren't Innocent, Dont Risk Soldiers" (Read 1343 times)

DownwithIslam · « **Reply #1 on:** January 17, 2009, 11:44:45 PM »

Chaim has been saying this for years. It seems like those Rabbanim have been listening to and learning from JTF.

Lisa · « **Reply #2 on:** January 17, 2009, 11:48:40 PM »

Now if only the government thought like them.

q_q_ · « **Reply #3 on:** January 17, 2009, 11:49:41 PM »

Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on January 17, 2009, 11:20:29 PM

Tzvi, you are missing the point with the subject "Re: Rabbi: "Gazans Aren't Innocent, Dont Risk Soldiers"".. The point is not

YEAH YEAH YEAH A RABBI HAS SAID WHAT WE ALL KNOW. YEAH NOW THAT HAS SOME WEIGHT TO IT.

What we see in the video, is a *very good* scholarly logical well measured talk, from rabbi bar hayyim, talking about in halacha, we do not distinguish between innocent and militant, on the enemy side. And he says this is mentioned in 2 places in the shulchan aruch..
He also makes the good point that they voted in hamas.

We also see a Dr something, talking generally.

DownwithIslam · « **Reply #4 on:** January 18, 2009, 12:14:03 AM »

Quote from: q_q_ on January 17, 2009, 11:49:41 PM

Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on January 17, 2009, 11:20:29 PM

Tzvi, you are missing the point with the subject "Re: Rabbi: "Gazans Aren't Innocent, Dont Risk Soldiers"".. The point is not

YEAH YEAH YEAH A RABBI HAS SAID WHAT WE ALL KNOW. YEAH NOW THAT HAS SOME WEIGHT TO IT.

What we see in the video, is a *very good* scholarly logical well measured talk, from rabbi bar hayyim, talking about in halacha, we do not distinguish between innocent and militant, on the enemy side. And he says this is mentioned in 2 places in the shulchan aruch..
He also makes the good point that they voted in hamas.

We also see a Dr something, talking generally.

This is not some big news. Chaim was the first to point these things out.

q_q_ · « **Reply #5 on:** January 18, 2009, 12:21:19 AM »

Quote from: DownwithIslam on January 18, 2009, 12:14:03 AM

Quote from: q_q_ on January 17, 2009, 11:49:41 PM
Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on January 17, 2009, 11:20:29 PM

Tzvi, you are missing the point with the subject "Re: Rabbi: "Gazans Aren't Innocent, Dont Risk Soldiers"".. The point is not

YEAH YEAH YEAH A RABBI HAS SAID WHAT WE ALL KNOW. YEAH NOW THAT HAS SOME WEIGHT TO IT.

What we see in the video, is a *very good* scholarly logical well measured talk, from rabbi bar hayyim, talking about in halacha, we do not distinguish between innocent and militant, on the enemy side. And he says this is mentioned in 2 places in the shulchan aruch..
He also makes the good point that they voted in hamas.

We also see a Dr something, talking generally.

This is not some big news. Chaim was the first to point these things out.

Chaim did argue that gazans aren't innocent.. they voted in hamas.

But regarding it being against halacha, I doubt he got any more specific than saying that these actions are against judaism. Do you have a link to where he got more specific?

rabbi bar hayyim mentioned that in halacha we don't distinguish and he said that this is in 2 places in the shulchan aruch.

zachor_ve_kavod · « **Reply #6 on:** January 18, 2009, 04:51:06 AM »

As Rabbi Kahane often remarked: "when the allies bombed Berlin and Dresden, who do you think they were bombing, Gestapo Generals? They were fighting the German people, who were devoted to plunging the world into eternal darkness."

Risking Jewish lives to spare arab civilians...what can one say about such a thing? If you're not even on your own side in a war, how can you win?

Xoce · « **Reply #7 on:** January 18, 2009, 05:00:28 AM »

the higher Israel puts its standards to bow to the (antisemetic) world, to try to earn the (anti-semetic) world's approval, the HIGHER THE BAR WILL BE SET for Israel in the future.
i.e., sending their soldiers into Gaza to ensure that rather than a SINGLE inadvertent death of a hamas-strategically-placed-human-shield-"victim," an Israeli soldier may face danger and death
is a POOR decision, not to mention immoral and unjust.
There already is a huge double standard. The further Israel bends over, contorts itself, mutilates itself and sends its young brave soldiers as sacrifices, THE FURTHER IT WILL BE "REQUIRED" TO DO SO IN THE FUTURE!!

IsraelForever · « **Reply #8 on:** January 18, 2009, 05:01:31 AM »

Quote from: zachor_ve_kavod on January 18, 2009, 04:51:06 AM

If you're not even on your own side in a war, how can you win?

Sad... but true. Very very sad.

zachor_ve_kavod · « **Reply #9 on:** January 18, 2009, 05:10:50 AM »

Underneath this video, there is the usual assortment of anti-Zionist, anti-Semitic diatribes. So I posted this comment:

"Israel is our home and we will fight to keep it and to protect our citizens. So to all of you who compare us to nazis and say that we Jews don't have a right to a state of our own, you are completely irrelevant and we don't care what you think. You talk about peace but what you are really for is our annihilation. We're not going anywhere. We will live as a free people in our own land."

They can like us or they can not like us. Either way, Israel will be defended and I don't care what they think.

Xoce · « **Reply #10 on:** January 18, 2009, 05:20:06 AM »

"when such people are destroyed, we have no tears to shed."

judeanoncapta · « **Reply #11 on:** January 18, 2009, 07:01:38 AM »

Quote from: xoce on January 18, 2009, 05:20:06 AM

"when such people are destroyed, we have no tears to shed."

Great quote.

This Rabbi happens to be my own personal Rabbi. He is an amazing Torah scholar and has both a perceptive and analytical mind. Which is very rare.