get your terms correct. There is no "Palestine" or "Palestinian." Those Arabs are arabs..just like Jordanians are arabs and Iraqis are arabs and certain Egyptians are arabs.....All arabs belong in Saudi Arabia
ther are a particular bunch of arabs
There are "palestinians" if you include quotes in writing, or bend your fingers in conversation, and we know what we are talking about
they are not a nation in themselves, they are the arabs that were living in mandatory palestine .. some of which stayed . some fled ..
the "palestinians" that stayed in 1948 in the -jewish state- section or jewish state israel "won", got offered citizenship and got called "israeli arabs",
the ones that fled fled to lebanon, jordan,
and the ones that were in the gaza strip and "west bank", that got taken by egypt and jordan respectively in 1948, were still called "palestinians".
I guess the ones in the west bank are jordanian citizens..
http://www.globalyouthconnect.org/country_jordan.html"In February 1960, Jordan offered citizenship to Palestinian refugees"
You can talkj about "palestinians" - not as a nation, but to refer to a certain group of people, or bunch of arabs.. A bunch of arabs that formed the PLO and were expelled from jordan into lebanon. A bunch of arabs - mostly muslims that together with lebanese muslims and syria, destroyed lebanon(which had a christian govt, majourity christian population and booming economy - these are all gone, I guess the christian govt is gone now)..
The word Arab is not very specific. Fact is.. Putting "palestinian" in quotes. The land was called "mandatory palestine", 2 "palestinian" states were meant to be created - one for jews, one for arabs. The arabs are no more "palestinian" than the jews are. Both immigrated..
this is why some "palestinian" sympathizers talk about offering a jewish state only to those jews that were there pre 1948. Large waves of Jewish immigration started from the 1880s The vast majourity of the arab population immigrated there once jews started and built the land. Britain limited jewish immigration with the -white paper- and allowed unlimited arab immigration.
golda meir once said "we are the palestinians". And ""There were no such thing as Palestinians.....".
Arabs whose origins are in "mandatory palestine", one might call them "palestinians", are no more indiginous than jews pre 1948 are.. . Jews or arabs of mandatory palestine as just as "palestinian" as each other. And jews post 1948 immigrated quite rightly, into Israel - the jewish state.
This bunch of arabs "palestinians", (not a nation, of course).. But we should know who we are referring to. They have - with the PLO - worked to destroy christian lebanon, and i'm sure there is evidence of how they have been oppressed in other arab countries.. So one can say. Don't tell israel to give "palestinians" rights.. you arabs or those you represent have done fat aworse to the "palestinians". It's worth looking into how "palestinian" refugees have been treated. .
I must say though. it seems their rights in Syria are pretty good
http://www.forcedmigration.org/guides/fmo017/rihts of education, employment.. just not granted citizenship in order to "preserve their original nationality"
It was just israel that was dumb enough to follow lebanon and allow the PLO in. The arab countries who have had real problems from "palestinians" were the ones that had the PLO.. Jordan, Lebanon. Jordan actually made "palestinians" citizens..
It is worth looking at Lebanon and Jordan as examples of what palestinians can do, and how -as a minimum- to deal with them..
Jordan survived because it got rid of the PLO.. they massacred 10s of thousands in one month.
Lebanon is a smaller country than jordan, sure. But they kept the PLO and didn't massacre enough palestinans or PLO or expel them.. and look what happened to them.. It turned from the switzerland of the middle east, into a hell hole. I guess there would have been even more violence in lebanon if israel hadn't taken the PLO from them!
It's important to stress that there is no "palestinian" nation.
But if you refuse to use the term, you are making things more difficult for yourself to understand history.. because you lack words.. You are exiling yourself from any analysis of the subject.. You are even failing to argue with our opponents by simply not accepting the terms of the discussion.
So you are merely preaching to the choir. If you are to talk to people about it, then use the word. Say that the israeli-arabs are palestinains tand they were offered citizenship - to israel's detriment. You cna say that the jews of 1948 israel were just as much "palestinian" as them.. and jews since then have every right to immigrate to israel.
of course, we should understnad that they turned the israel-arab conflict into an israeli-palestinan conflict.. to make them david and israel goliath... and to assert their independence.. But sometimes we need words to refer to certain bunch of arabs.. and we can put it in quotes.. or say it in inverted commars.
If you keep blanking when the term is used(thinking egypt, syria, all arabs, same thing), you won't even be able to read a book describing 1948 or 1967. you have to recognise what is being referred to -specifically-.