Dennis Prager teaching Torah

[zachor_ve_kavod]

There may be some on this forum who do not like Dennis Prager.  Some of you may have heard the debate between Prager and Rabbi Kahane, where Rabbi Kahane really killed him.  That was a while ago, and I think Prager has grown up quite a bit since then.  I still find some of what he says to be Left of me, but he is overall a thoughtful and morally grounded individual (far more so than the other radio commentators).

In this 7 part set of videos on youtube, he explains some of the Torah, teaching some of the deeper meanings to a group of listeners (mostly Gentiles).  The purpose of his speech is to show how America's morality is grounded in Judeo-Christian values (values, not theology). 

I'm listening to the fourth part right now, and so far, what I've heard him say is pretty standard.  It's how he ties Torah issues to modern political issues that is what is of interest to me.

Here is the first part:


He makes small talk for the first few minutes, which is kind of pointless.



It gets going around 6:25 minutes in (or so).

[DownwithIslam]

Their is no question he is an intelligent man, but so are many other self hating jews. He can never be forgiven for what he did to rabbi kahane. That is in addition to the fact that he is a fake phony fraud.

[JudiaZionista]

All I know about Dennis Prager is that he has a talkshow during the day.  But I thought he supported Israel and is against Islam...is that not the case?  I'm interested in knowing how he's a fraud.

[Lisa]

I remember his saying on Bill O'Reilly's show, or on some other show that he was for a fakestinian state. 

[zachor_ve_kavod]

Their is no question he is an intelligent man, but so are many other self hating jews. He can never be forgiven for what he did to rabbi kahane. That is in addition to the fact that he is a fake phony fraud.

Let's be clear about what he did to Rabbi Kahane:  He disagreed with him.  He was wrong, is that a sin?  He also debated him, which was something that many of the Rabbi's opponents were too cowardly to do.  

Also, you should remember something that Rabbi Kahane himself said many times:  "Those who cannot debate, instead defame.  And defamation is the refuge of non-thinkers."  So, I don't think it is right for you to defame Dennis Prager because of a disagreement he had with Rabbi Kahane 25 years ago.

[Lisa]

Good point, Zachor.

[DownwithIslam]

Their is no question he is an intelligent man, but so are many other self hating jews. He can never be forgiven for what he did to rabbi kahane. That is in addition to the fact that he is a fake phony fraud.

Let's be clear about what he did to Rabbi Kahane:  He disagreed with him.  He was wrong, is that a sin?  He also debated him, which was something that many of the Rabbi's opponents were too cowardly to do.  

Also, you should remember something that Rabbi Kahane himself said many times:  "Those who cannot debate, instead defame.  And defamation is the refuge of non-thinkers."  So, I don't think it is right for you to defame Dennis Prager because of a disagreement he had with Rabbi Kahane 25 years ago.

The problem is not that he debated Rabbi Kahane, it's what he said during the debates. He attacked Rabbi Kahane and said his ideas weren't jewish etc..... It's the content that bothers me.

[Moshe92]

Their is no question he is an intelligent man, but so are many other self hating jews. He can never be forgiven for what he did to rabbi kahane. That is in addition to the fact that he is a fake phony fraud.

Let's be clear about what he did to Rabbi Kahane:  He disagreed with him.  He was wrong, is that a sin?  He also debated him, which was something that many of the Rabbi's opponents were too cowardly to do.  

Also, you should remember something that Rabbi Kahane himself said many times:  "Those who cannot debate, instead defame.  And defamation is the refuge of non-thinkers."  So, I don't think it is right for you to defame Dennis Prager because of a disagreement he had with Rabbi Kahane 25 years ago.

The problem is not that he debated Rabbi Kahane, it's what he said during the debates. He attacked Rabbi Kahane and said his ideas weren't jewish etc..... It's the content that bothers me.

Correct. He said, "your anthropomorphic understanding of G-d is pagan" or something like that. I haven't watched the videos posted by Zachor, so I can't comment on them. On his radio show, it seems like he is usually concerned with morality which is a good thing.

[DownwithIslam]

Their is no question he is an intelligent man, but so are many other self hating jews. He can never be forgiven for what he did to rabbi kahane. That is in addition to the fact that he is a fake phony fraud.

Let's be clear about what he did to Rabbi Kahane:  He disagreed with him.  He was wrong, is that a sin?  He also debated him, which was something that many of the Rabbi's opponents were too cowardly to do.  

Also, you should remember something that Rabbi Kahane himself said many times:  "Those who cannot debate, instead defame.  And defamation is the refuge of non-thinkers."  So, I don't think it is right for you to defame Dennis Prager because of a disagreement he had with Rabbi Kahane 25 years ago.

The problem is not that he debated Rabbi Kahane, it's what he said during the debates. He attacked Rabbi Kahane and said his ideas weren't jewish etc..... It's the content that bothers me.

Correct. He said, "your anthropomorphic understanding of G-d is pagan" or something like that. I haven't watched the videos posted by Zachor, so I can't comment on them. On his radio show, it seems like he is usually concerned with morality which is a good thing.

Moshe, you are right. I heard him say that too. It's true that Prager tries to come across that he is conservative, but when pressed, he clearly voices his support for evil causes.

[Moshe92]

Their is no question he is an intelligent man, but so are many other self hating jews. He can never be forgiven for what he did to rabbi kahane. That is in addition to the fact that he is a fake phony fraud.

Let's be clear about what he did to Rabbi Kahane:  He disagreed with him.  He was wrong, is that a sin?  He also debated him, which was something that many of the Rabbi's opponents were too cowardly to do.  

Also, you should remember something that Rabbi Kahane himself said many times:  "Those who cannot debate, instead defame.  And defamation is the refuge of non-thinkers."  So, I don't think it is right for you to defame Dennis Prager because of a disagreement he had with Rabbi Kahane 25 years ago.

On the subject of defaming, he called Rabbi Kahane a Jewish fascist which is definitely an example of defaming. I agree that at least he is not a coward and is not afraid to debate his opponents.

[Zionist Revolutionary]

He called Rabbi Kahane a "Jewish Fascist" and put up a straw-man's argument that the belief that G-d literally appeared at Sinai is an "anthropomorphic view of G-d, and thus paganism". That clearly isn't in line with what we at JTF believe.

[zachor_ve_kavod]

If you listen to him now compared to him 25 years ago, he is so much more to the right than he used to be.  I recommend that you watch the videos I posted on this thread and make up your own mind.  People change.  15 years ago, I was much more on the Left than I am today.  I think this is actually pretty common.

[DownwithIslam]

If you listen to him now compared to him 25 years ago, he is so much more to the right than he used to be.  I recommend that you watch the videos I posted on this thread and make up your own mind.  People change.  15 years ago, I was much more on the Left than I am today.  I think this is actually pretty common.

That is a valid point too. Before I heard JTF, I was a leftist. The problem is that Prager is still no good. If this shmuck went on Oreillys show and called for a fakestininian state, what does that say about him?

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Dennis Prager is a little preferable to Michael Faggot, but that is not saying much. They are both egotistical phony rightists as DownwithIslam said. HaRav Meir David Kahane zt"l positively pwned Gayger in a debate and the mincing little homosexual will never get over that.

[JudiaZionista]

Dennis Prager is a little preferable to Michael Faggot, but that is not saying much. They are both egotistical phony rightists as DownwithIslam said. HaRav Meir David Kahane zt"l positively pwned Gayger in a debate and the mincing little homosexual will never get over that.

I have so much to learn.  Michael who?

[zachor_ve_kavod]

Nobody yet has commented on the actual video I linked.  Did you notice that?  You guys are commenting on how bad Prager is (or as C.F. said "Gayger"), or how bad he was.

Let's assume that you are all correct and Prager is this horrible Leftist self-hating Jew.  That still doesn't tell me what you think of the merits of his ideas on this video.  Can you maybe put aside your anger for a few minutes and think about what he says in this video.

I wanted to discuss his ideas, not have a discussion about his worth as a human being.

[דוד בן זאב אריה]

He Admitted he didn't believe the Torah literally. There is no going back from that.

[zachor_ve_kavod]

He Admitted he didn't believe the Torah literally. There is no going back from that.

On the contrary, he said the opposite in this video.

Exuse me.  To be more accurate, he said that he now believes that the Torah is the word of G-d, or something to that effect.  That is not quite the same as literal, but it is important to recognize.

At the time of the debate with Rabbi Kahane, he said the Torah was divinely inspired but written by men.  Now he says it is the word of G-d.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Which is why I say he is slightly preferable to Michael Faggot. But he is still a pseudoright phony--just a somewhat more "intellectual" one.

[JTFFan]

I agree with C.F. Even though he may be slightly more preferable, I can still never forgive him what he said to Rabbi Kahane in that interview, and then he got assassinated a couple years later. May G-d bless this giant and hero, May he rest in peace. I still can't believe why Prager called him a "Jewish Fascist." This was very upsetting to me when I heard him in this interview. Kahane wanted only the best for the Jewish people, to call him a Fascist because he had righteous moral and Torah beliefs is beyond all words. This is another reason why all Jews need to belong in Israel under a Kahanist run government, to prevent the label "Jewish Fascism" being used.

[zachor_ve_kavod]

I agree with C.F. Even though he may be slightly more preferable, I can still never forgive him what he said to Rabbi Kahane in that interview, and then he got assassinated a couple years later. May G-d bless this giant and hero, May he rest in peace. I still can't believe why Prager called him a "Jewish Fascist." This was very upsetting to me when I heard him in this interview. Kahane wanted only the best for the Jewish people, to call him a Fascist because he had righteous moral and Torah beliefs is beyond all words. This is another reason why all Jews need to belong in Israel under a Kahanist run government, to prevent the label "Jewish Fascism" being used.

Well, I don't know about you, but I can remember plenty of things that I said 25 years ago, that I wish I could take back.  I never hear Prager attack the right now, only the Left.  I sent him an email asking him if he still believes what he thought about Rabbi Kahane at the time of their debate.  I haven't heard back yet.  Maybe you should also send him an email asking him the same question if you're interested.

I personally don't care how people view Dennis Prager.  I just think it is unfortunate that people here can't seem to differentiate someone like Prager, who is a conservative and a Torah Jew, from a typical Woody Allen type Leftist.  Can you guys really not see a difference?  He's not as right wing as we are, very few people are, by the way.

Also, I don't think all of this bitterness and venom is going to help us, ultimately.  We should save our anger for truly evil people.  Not everyone who was Left of Rabbi Kahane is a truly evil person.  How can we be taken seriously if we show the same hostility to someone like Dennis Prager, as we would show to a real Leftist self-hater?

[muman613]

I agree with C.F. Even though he may be slightly more preferable, I can still never forgive him what he said to Rabbi Kahane in that interview, and then he got assassinated a couple years later. May G-d bless this giant and hero, May he rest in peace. I still can't believe why Prager called him a "Jewish Fascist." This was very upsetting to me when I heard him in this interview. Kahane wanted only the best for the Jewish people, to call him a Fascist because he had righteous moral and Torah beliefs is beyond all words. This is another reason why all Jews need to belong in Israel under a Kahanist run government, to prevent the label "Jewish Fascism" being used.

Well, I don't know about you, but I can remember plenty of things that I said 25 years ago, that I wish I could take back.  I never hear Prager attack the right now, only the Left.  I sent him an email asking him if he still believes what he thought about Rabbi Kahane at the time of their debate.  I haven't heard back yet.  Maybe you should also send him an email asking him the same question if you're interested.

I personally don't care how people view Dennis Prager.  I just think it is unfortunate that people here can't seem to differentiate someone like Prager, who is a conservative and a Torah Jew, from a typical Woody Allen type Leftist.  Can you guys really not see a difference?  He's not as right wing as we are, very few people are, by the way.

Also, I don't think all of this bitterness and venom is going to help us, ultimately.  We should save our anger for truly evil people.  Not everyone who was Left of Rabbi Kahane is a truly evil person.  How can we be taken seriously if we show the same hostility to someone like Dennis Prager, as we would show to a real Leftist self-hater?

I agree with you Zachor. A wise man learns from everyone and changes his position when he learns he was wrong. I dont hold people to what they said years ago. Only six years ago I was a democrat and I was happy with Clinton. Now I realize the error of my way, I did teshuva and now I am observant in my Jewish religion.

I think we should be able to forgive people and not hold a grudge, especially Jews. It is a mitzvah to not go around as a tale bearer against your people, and to not hold a grudge.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Well, I don't know about you, but I can remember plenty of things that I said 25 years ago, that I wish I could take back.  I never hear Prager attack the right now, only the Left.  I sent him an email asking him if he still believes what he thought about Rabbi Kahane at the time of their debate.  I haven't heard back yet.  Maybe you should also send him an email asking him the same question if you're interested.

I personally don't care how people view Dennis Prager.  I just think it is unfortunate that people here can't seem to differentiate someone like Prager, who is a conservative and a Torah Jew, from a typical Woody Allen type Leftist.  Can you guys really not see a difference?  He's not as right wing as we are, very few people are, by the way.

Also, I don't think all of this bitterness and venom is going to help us, ultimately.  We should save our anger for truly evil people.  Not everyone who was Left of Rabbi Kahane is a truly evil person.  How can we be taken seriously if we show the same hostility to someone like Dennis Prager, as we would show to a real Leftist self-hater?

Answer me this: has this so-called "Torah Jew" ever apologized for the hideous statements he made of HaRav Kahane (zt"l)?

[zachor_ve_kavod]

Well, I don't know about you, but I can remember plenty of things that I said 25 years ago, that I wish I could take back.  I never hear Prager attack the right now, only the Left.  I sent him an email asking him if he still believes what he thought about Rabbi Kahane at the time of their debate.  I haven't heard back yet.  Maybe you should also send him an email asking him the same question if you're interested.

I personally don't care how people view Dennis Prager.  I just think it is unfortunate that people here can't seem to differentiate someone like Prager, who is a conservative and a Torah Jew, from a typical Woody Allen type Leftist.  Can you guys really not see a difference?  He's not as right wing as we are, very few people are, by the way.

Also, I don't think all of this bitterness and venom is going to help us, ultimately.  We should save our anger for truly evil people.  Not everyone who was Left of Rabbi Kahane is a truly evil person.  How can we be taken seriously if we show the same hostility to someone like Dennis Prager, as we would show to a real Leftist self-hater?

Answer me this: has this so-called "Torah Jew" ever apologized for the hideous statements he made of HaRav Kahane (zt"l)?

I don't know whether Prager has ever apologized for whatever hideous statements you are referring to.  What were these hideous statements?  As far as I can recall, all he said was that Rabbi Kahane does not represent true Judaism.  He was wrong, but the statement is not defamatory, it's an opinion.  Why do you put the term "Torah Jew" in quotation marks?  Are you saying he's not a Torah Jew?

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

To my knowledge Prager is a "Conservative" Jew, which is NOT Torah Judaism. "Conservative" Judaism is barely one step above Deformed Judaism.

He said that "Rabbi Kahane is a Jewish fascist". That is completely unforgivable, especially considering he has never apologized for it. Prager is a mainstream media "conservative" along the lines of Michael Faggot or Bill O'Reilly--he presents a sanitized, politically-correct version of rightism that passes muster with the leftist censors of the Establishment. Prager is only out to fatten his belly by selling books and getting on shows, not to promote Torah.