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orthodox jew wanna be [censored] rappa what would chaim and david think of this guy?
jdl4ever:
--- Quote from: Yirmiyahu on March 25, 2007, 01:36:25 AM ---I always thought that rap was entirely black in origin.
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It is maybe. I don't know what came first, early rap era white music that was vaguely similar to rap but was much more refined or black rap noise. But in the 80's, the whites had a good take off on it but it never stuck.
jdl4ever:
Yakov, I was talking about something else, listen to "Rock me amadaos" and "Jeanny (don't watch the video for this one since it is vulgar)" on youtube by falco. That stuff sounds sort of like rap but is a completely different style of white origin and is really good stuff. I guess blacks never refined their crude concept of rap noise but the whites knew how to improve upon it and make it musical. Falco's style was unique and was never really duplicated as far as I know but it was really good. He liked blacks though. One of his vids has blacks singing with him and his back up singer was black. So probably black noise came first since according to wikipedia, it came around in the mid 70's.
Allen-T:
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on March 25, 2007, 12:05:32 AM ---Black music became black in nature in The 1970's with disco. It was still not completely bad though. Eventually it became bad when it turned into R&B and hip hop.
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R&B or "rhythm & blues" pre-dates the 1950's rock and roll explosion.
Allen-T:
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on March 25, 2007, 01:33:56 AM ---Actually, I think that black rap noise was a take off on early white rap style music. Early white "rap" music sounded nothing like the black rap noise of today and was quite good and musical, telling a story in the song for a change, but I only know of a few popular songs using it before it was taken over by the blacks. One of my favorite artists from the 80's is Falco (even though he was an immoral bastard) and some of his songs were quite good like "Rock me amadaous" and "Jeanny". He used a unique form of early white rap that was really good and musical (so much so that most can't tell it is a rap like style) but no one followed him really and it was taken over by the blacks and turned into this horrible noise.
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Rap music first appeared around 1969-1970 with Gil Scott-Heron and the Last Poets. They both recited poetic Black Panther rhetoric over conga drums initially and later jazzed up funk. Both are musically great but their ideas are not. By the end of the 1970's Rap was beginning to take the shape of a "rapper" rhyming over "beats" meaning a DJ that manipulated two copies of the same record at once to create a static "beat", something VERY difficult to do, by the way. Rap is a totally black "street" art form that initially was an intended replacement for gang violence in the South Bronx, gangsters battle rapped with their words instead of weapons. By the late 80's technology was such that samplers replaced the dual turntable thing and "beats" became more sophisticated and multi-layered. Myself and a friend were specialising in "beat digging" at that time, that is finding interesting sounds on obscure records and selling them to the highest bidder. So I was in that world for awhile and made alot of money digging up beats. The record companies were throwing money at these guys in the early 90's to buy "samples/beats" and there were some very talented producers, like DJ Premier. The current degenerate sounding rap noise is no different than the degeneration that has gone on in music in general. Can you compare 60's 70's rock like Jimi Hendrix, Pink Floyd, Lynyrd Skynyrd or Blondie to crap like Kid Rock or Limp Bizkit? By the way, the greatest DJ/Producer in the world who has a grasp of music in general that makes me feel stupid is a white guy named DJ Shadow :-*
jdl4ever:
Yeah, I guess before the digital era it was hard as hell to get those weird beat sequences worked out. But nowadays, every rap song has the same basic beat. I don't hear much sampling done anymore. So in effect the black rap noise started out bad and got even worse since there is no more creativity. I think the white rappers are half decent compared to the black ones. Some of emenem's songs sound half decent and he is a white guy but the blacks probably hate him for that.
Overall, I ONLY LIKE 80'S MUSIC and can't stand modern music. There is no more creativity and it is all fake. I know a lot about sound engenering and can tell you that 99% of the songs on the radio are more technology than musical talent. Also, equipment was better in the 80's. I bought a vingage 80's reverb machine since I like the simple old sound better than the overdone new machines.
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