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orthodox jew wanna be [censored] rappa what would chaim and david think of this guy?
Allen-T:
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on March 25, 2007, 02:07:28 AM ---I'm talking about the modern one. What was it like before? It was probably just Southern blacks moaning and groaning. Now it has a modern tune to it. The old blues music is nothing like R&B of today. Did it come from jazz? If it did, then it has its routes in Jewish Klezmer music.
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I don't know about "Southern blacks moaning and groaning" but it's always a better day when Elmore James or Big Joe Turner bless my ears!! I have heard different accounts of the very origins of Jazz and Klezmers connection to it. I am not 100% sure Chaim is right about that, I don't know. My interest in Jazz starts with Bebop, around the late 40's. There is alot of music before that called "Jazz" I am not a historian enough to comment.
jdl4ever:
Bebop was really good. I am a fan of it. Did blacks invent that or did they copy the whites? That early black bebop song "in the still of the night" was really good
(no studio sound tweaking there, pure musical talent). Compare that to modern rap noise. Why did the black music degenerate so much?
Allen-T:
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on March 25, 2007, 02:32:58 AM ---Yeah, I guess before the digital era it was hard as hell to get those weird beat sequences worked out. But nowadays, every rap song has the same basic beat. I don't hear much sampling done anymore. So in effect the black rap noise started out bad and got even worse since there is no more creativity. I think the white rappers are half decent compared to the black ones. Some of emenem's songs sound half decent and he is a white guy but the blacks probably hate him for that.
Overall, I ONLY LIKE 80'S MUSIC and can't stand modern music. There is no more creativity and it is all fake. I know a lot about sound engenering and can tell you that 99% of the songs on the radio are more technology than musical talent. Also, equipment was better in the 80's. I bought a vingage 80's reverb machine since I like the simple old sound better than the overdone new machines.
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Emenem sounds like every other bad rapper today to me. You are right though, there is no creativity in modern rap. Only propaganda promoting evil. Back in the 80's there was a rap group called Eric B & Rakim. Rakim's command of the English language was amazing, a regular Churchill!!! If you ever want to hear a very funny rap lp[though it has alot of profanity] there were two girls that made 1 lp called "Bytches With Problems" or BWP. They rip black men to shreds, it's so funny and the music isn't bad either!!
Allen-T:
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on March 25, 2007, 02:37:35 AM ---Bebop was really good. I am a fan of it. Did blacks invent that or did they copy the whites? That early black bebop song "in the still of the night" was really good
(no studio sound tweaking there, pure musical talent). Compare that to modern rap noise. Why did the black music degenerate so much?
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Bebop is a purely black invention, it is said that one of it's inventors, Charlie Parker, said he wanted to create a music that whites couldn't play, and thus couldn't steal. I knew a guy once who was a trained musician and studied Charlie Parker's solos and thought they were created by someone from another planet, almost impossible to play. I am not a musician, I just know what I like.
Allen-T:
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on March 25, 2007, 02:49:21 AM ---David told me that he likes some type of black music from The 1950's (I forget what it is called.) and that Chaim gets mad at David for that.
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Maybe David meant Do-wop, a popular form of black vocal music from the 50's, though I think Italians were also prolific in that genre. Chaim sounds like blacks have never accomplished anything EVER sometimes. That's just not true. I would love to hear Chaim debate Phil Schapp from WKCR Columbia University on this subject. Would be interesting to say the least.
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