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orthodox jew wanna be [censored] rappa what would chaim and david think of this guy?
Allen-T:
--- Quote from: dawntreader on March 25, 2007, 09:58:20 AM ---I find that kind of talk rather disturbing.
Mattisyahu is an example of goodness in an otherwise trash filled musical arena. His music is a mix of rap and Reggae but has anyone stopped to listen to the Lyrics? They ALL praise Hashem!
In regular gangsta rap, most of the time it talks exclusively of the gold they've got round their necks, what kind of awesome car they've got, who they're going to bust a cap on and that kind of nonsense.
The style of music is not what is wicked. It's the message behind it. When the message changes...and if that message is a blessing to G-d...then who are you or anyone else to judge it?
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Exactly!
MassuhDGoodName:
Re: "...Where it came from; originators; when it became..."
I find myself quite bemused by the previous music lovers' opinions about music & musics.
If one truly wants to know and understand as much as possible about music, the first thing to always remember is that music, and the music business, are not one and the same.
Researching music and music history will dispel most of the views of the posters which I have been reading.
Music History JTF 101 (in a nutshell):
1. Earliest musics are essiantially unknown to modern man.
2. Western musics are based on the knowledge of the ancient Greeks.
3. Because early Muslims and Christians burned every manuscript they could find, only scraps of Greek music remain.
4. Musicologists consider that the traditional music of India is the closest we have today similar to that of the ancient world.
5. ALL modern western music theory, harmony, and composition, has its origins in The Roman Catholic Church. Other musics have developed respective to ethnicity (folk musics of different peoples), but were never formalized.
6. Rome, being the center of the Church, was the musical capital of Europe. As Europe evolved, so did its music. Great composers appeared in Austria, Britain, Holland, France; most if not all subsidized by society's elite; often as "Court Musician". Eventually, it was Germany which became the area in which modern music developed the most; this in spite of it being the last region to adapt music as an art form. Until just recently, serious students of music did their studies in Germany.
7. Negro musics indigenous to western Africa crossed the Atlantic with the slave ships, and was then assimmilated into the Western church-derived arts of musical composition and notation. Our modern "Blues", "Black Gospel singing", "R'n'B", "Rock'n'Roll", "Swing", "Jazz", genres, as well as their danceable rhythms, were originated by African slaves. Gershwin and other popular songwriters, based their compositions on the negro styles; not the other way around.
If one truly wants to know and understand music, pick one genre which is your favorite, and research it thoroughly; beginning with the present, and working backwards in time.
The labels which the "music industry" affix to market their products, are most often absurd & irrelevant.
Allen-T:
--- Quote from: MassuhDGoodName on March 25, 2007, 11:22:09 AM ---Re: "...Where it came from; originators; when it became..."
I find myself quite bemused by the previous music lovers' opinions about music & musics.
If one truly wants to know and understand as much as possible about music, the first thing to always remember is that music, and the music business, are not one and the same.
Researching music and music history will dispel most of the views of the posters which I have been reading.
Music History JTF 101 (in a nutshell):
1. Earliest musics are essiantially unknown to modern man.
2. Western musics are based on the knowledge of the ancient Greeks.
3. Because early Muslims and Christians burned every manuscript they could find, only scraps of Greek music remain.
4. Musicologists consider that the traditional music of India is the closest we have today similar to that of the ancient world.
5. ALL modern western music theory, harmony, and composition, has its origins in The Roman Catholic Church. Other musics have developed respective to ethnicity (folk musics of different peoples), but were never formalized.
6. Rome, being the center of the Church, was the musical capital of Europe. As Europe evolved, so did its music. Great composers appeared in Austria, Britain, Holland, France; most if not all subsidized by society's elite; often as "Court Musician". Eventually, it was Germany which became the area in which modern music developed the most; this in spite of it being the last region to adapt music as an art form. Until just recently, serious students of music did their studies in Germany.
7. Negro musics indigenous to western Africa crossed the Atlantic with the slave ships, and was then assimmilated into the Western church-derived arts of musical composition and notation. Our modern "Blues", "Black Gospel singing", "R'n'B", "Rock'n'Roll", "Swing", "Jazz", genres, as well as their danceable rhythms, were originated by African slaves. Gershwin and other popular songwriters, based their compositions on the negro styles; not the other way around.
If one truly wants to know and understand music, pick one genre which is your favorite, and research it thoroughly; beginning with the present, and working backwards in time.
The labels which the "music industry" affix to market their products, are most often absurd & irrelevant.
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How do the developments within certain styles over shorter periods of time discussed here contradict your larger panoramic overview? I am just trying to find what exactly it is you said that should render things stated here by myself and others as disposable? ???
jdl4ever:
I disagree with Mussadahgoodname. Roman Catholic music definitely did not come first. It is most likely a copy from the Choir style music the levites sang in the temple. I think all ancient cultures had there own musical style but we will never know about it since all manuscripts were probably destroyed.
Allen-T:
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on March 25, 2007, 11:47:47 AM ---I disagree with Mussadahgoodname. Roman Catholic music definitely did not come first. It is most likely a copy from the Choir style music the levites sang in the temple. I think all ancient cultures had there own musical style but we will never know about it since all manuscripts were probably destroyed.
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Jews have always embraced rhythm, no? Is there any indication that the Levite music you mention was rhythmic? The Roman Catholic church was directly responsible for destroying musical rhythms, especially in church music. Ever heard Gregorian chants? Yikes!!! Massuhdagoodname, what would you say is the step by step lineage between Bach and say Stockhausen or Boulez? Your writings seem to imply there is nothing new under the sun.
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