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orthodox jew wanna be [censored] rappa what would chaim and david think of this guy?
jdl4ever:
Nothing is known about the exact style of the temple era. All that we know is that a group of levites sang at the temple constantly. There were levite families that sang, others which played instraments and others that took care of the temple. The exact instraments used at that time and the number of instrament players at a given time is menchaned in the Mishnah. These jobs were familial and would stay in the family for hundreds of years. They probably had good rythem since one of the instraments was a drum or cymbal. I don't remember the Mishnah by memory but I think that there was a harp, a drum or cymbal and some other instraments. From the fact that there were many singers and not one, it indicates that songs were sang in harmony or in choir style. Was there a lead singer or not is unclear. Personally, I think that cantorial music is similar to the original temple music. My grandfather and great grandfather who were cantors would train a choir to sing with them on high holidays in Synagague and would pray with a choir. Shlomo Carlebach said that the only original temple songs in existance are the sad traditional tunes sung by Jews in prayer on the Day of Attonement but I don't know if he is correct or not.
dawntreader:
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--- Quote from: jdl4ever on March 25, 2007, 11:47:47 AM ---I disagree with Mussadahgoodname. Roman Catholic music definitely did not come first. It is most likely a copy from the Choir style music the levites sang in the temple. I think all ancient cultures had there own musical style but we will never know about it since all manuscripts were probably destroyed.
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Jews have always embraced rhythm, no? Is there any indication that the Levite music you mention was rhythmic? The Roman Catholic church was directly responsible for destroying musical rhythms, especially in church music. Ever heard Gregorian chants? Yikes!!! Massuhdagoodname, what would you say is the step by step lineage between Bach and say Stockhausen or Boulez? Your writings seem to imply there is nothing new under the sun.
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LOL jdl4ever....nothing new under the sun. You realize of course, that's exactly what King Solomon said in Ecclesiastes. Right?
Ecclesiastes 1:9 JPS
9 That which hath been is that which shall be, and that which hath been done is that which shall be done; and there is nothing new under the sun.
dawntreader:
Oops!
That was supposed to be to Allen-T
Allen-T:
--- Quote from: dawntreader on March 25, 2007, 01:19:07 PM ---Oops!
That was supposed to be to Allen-T
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That's why I said it, it's one of my favorite Bible books ;) However, that doesn't mean that the creative process is futile or to be discarded.
Din Rodef:
--- Quote from: MassuhDGoodName on March 25, 2007, 11:22:09 AM ---Re: "...Where it came from; originators; when it became..."
I find myself quite bemused by the previous music lovers' opinions about music & musics.
If one truly wants to know and understand as much as possible about music, the first thing to always remember is that music, and the music business, are not one and the same.
Researching music and music history will dispel most of the views of the posters which I have been reading.
Music History JTF 101 (in a nutshell):
1. Earliest musics are essiantially unknown to modern man.
2. Western musics are based on the knowledge of the ancient Greeks.
3. Because early Muslims and Christians burned every manuscript they could find, only scraps of Greek music remain.
4. Musicologists consider that the traditional music of India is the closest we have today similar to that of the ancient world.
5. ALL modern western music theory, harmony, and composition, has its origins in The Roman Catholic Church. Other musics have developed respective to ethnicity (folk musics of different peoples), but were never formalized.
6. Rome, being the center of the Church, was the musical capital of Europe. As Europe evolved, so did its music. Great composers appeared in Austria, Britain, Holland, France; most if not all subsidized by society's elite; often as "Court Musician". Eventually, it was Germany which became the area in which modern music developed the most; this in spite of it being the last region to adapt music as an art form. Until just recently, serious students of music did their studies in Germany.
7. Negro musics indigenous to western Africa crossed the Atlantic with the slave ships, and was then assimmilated into the Western church-derived arts of musical composition and notation. Our modern "Blues", "Black Gospel singing", "R'n'B", "Rock'n'Roll", "Swing", "Jazz", genres, as well as their danceable rhythms, were originated by African slaves. Gershwin and other popular songwriters, based their compositions on the negro styles; not the other way around.
If one truly wants to know and understand music, pick one genre which is your favorite, and research it thoroughly; beginning with the present, and working backwards in time.
The labels which the "music industry" affix to market their products, are most often absurd & irrelevant.
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great post massuh D
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