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America to Abandon Israel - We already knew this
« on: March 18, 2009, 11:29:12 PM »
Here at JTF we have been saying this for almost 2 years....



http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/130501

America 'Moves Towards Abandonment of Israel'
Adar 22, 5769, 18 March 09 04:26
by IsraelNN Staff


(IsraelNN.com) An unnamed former highly-placed U.S.intelligence official has broken silence and says that America may soon be abandoning Israel in favor of the Arabs. “This is just the beginning”, he said, "Israel could be about to lose the support of the United States."

The source made these remarks in an exclusive interview with Douglas J. Hagmann, the director of the Northeast Intelligence Network, which is comprised of veteran licensed professional investigators, analysts, military affairs specialists and researchers. The group has combined their resources to provide accurate and well-sourced information via their website.

Hagmann appeared on Israel National Radio's Weekend Edition with host Tamar Yonah. When questioned about the possible abandonment of Israel by America, Hagmann told Yonah, "The Obama administration is no friend to Israel, is no friend to the Jews in America and is no friend to democracy or freedom in America.  …Just by his very appointments, we can see him filling positions of power with people who are anti-Semitic, who want to see Israel essentially dissolved as a nation, if not by diplomacy, then certainly by war."

In his report, the unnamed intelligence source told Hagmann, “I have every reason to believe, based on what I’ve seen at my level of [security] clearance especially over the last several years, that Israel will soon be completely on their own… or worse.” He explained this would happen “when our administration provides more support to Arab countries [with] financial and military aid, undercutting Israel’s defense efforts all while pushing Israel to succumb to the pressure of unreasonable demands designed to end with their political annihilation as a nation.”

Haggman told Yonah that this official broke silence because he had already retired from his highly placed position, and because of his knowledge of the NIN's (Northeast Intelligence Network) position as pro-Israel and the way it valued the relationship between Israel and America. Another reason, he said, was his own perception of the Biblical aspect of this scenario developing.

The intelligence officer explained that the  turnover of American policy towards Israel could occur through a manner that he dubbed 'malicious intelligence," which Haggman defined as information that is taken from its raw form. I then is morphed into something else to promote different interests, "where intelligence and politics meet and often collide,” he said.  A method “that has been molded and massaged to advance the agendas of a select few,” he elaborated.

In the case of the relationship between America and Israel, he noted, malicious intelligence is being used to turn over the U.S. to a more anti-Israel policy and forge ahead with a more pro-PA or pro-Islamist one.

Hagmann told Yonah in the radio interview, "A perfect example of this is when there was a shooting in Seattle a couple of years ago at a Jewish center. The police were ordered by the city officials and by the Federal Government, basically, to not protect the synagogues and other Jewish centers in Seattle, but to have protection details [instead] at the mosques in Seattle."

U.S. administrations have apparently been following a policy of abandoning Israel for several years, according to Hagmann's report.  His interview with the intelligence official cited "the 2005 surrender of Gush Katif to the Palestinian Authority as one critical example of the slow dismantlement of Israel as a viable nation. Despite critical intelligence outlining in every possible manner imaginable that this would be a disastrous move leading to the events we are seeing today [rocket and missile fire on Israel], it was done anyway," he stated.

In the report that Hagmann posted on the NIN (Northeast Intelligence Network) he cited one of his sources explaining,  “Now you can see where intelligence and politics meet and often collide,… " the Obama administration is being purposely filled with people who are truly anti-Israel, either because of their own financial interests or a larger globalist agenda that does not  include Israel, or for that matter, the United States as a sovereign nation.

"Whatever the reason, the anti-Israel, pro-Islamist policy makers will be appointed or have already infiltrated nearly all levels of the U.S. government. These are the people who place anti-Semitic references in school textbooks, promote revisionist history regarding Islam, 9/11, and are the same people who allow or even promote the Islamic agendas in all aspects of Western society, especially the restrictions on speech against Islam.

"With regard to the latter, note that the United Nations is quite involved in forcing the restriction of “hate speech” and the implementation of global standards, some that have already been adapted by European nations,” noted the source.

Hagmann reports that "the Middle East will be the site of 'the coming war,' and Israel will be at its epicenter. If we survive as a nation, the U.S. will not be on the side of righteousness in this war, instead turning our back to - or our guns against - our only true friend in the Middle East - Israel," he said.
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Re: America to Abandon Israel - We already knew this
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2009, 11:53:04 PM »


This is a nightmare! The Obama administration is a nightmare!
Nuke the arabs till they glow, then shoot them in the dark.

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Re: America to Abandon Israel - We already knew this
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2009, 11:54:12 PM »
I saw it coming too.

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Re: America to Abandon Israel - We already knew this
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2009, 11:58:49 PM »
I hope nothing osmama obama does works out and we get a real conservative republican in 2012.
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Re: America to Abandon Israel - We already knew this
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2009, 12:04:28 AM »
Muman,

You are absolutely correct.
Especially under Obama's rule, Israel will be abandoned by the U.S.A..

His loyalty lies with his Muslim brothers, therefore Israel is on it's own.

But, I have faith in Israel and it will prevail over anything and everything that will come it's way.

In reality, Israel has always had to stand for and protect itself.
So, as you stated "we already knew this", rings more true than ever before.
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Re: America to Abandon Israel - We already knew this
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2009, 12:08:57 AM »


We must neuter Obama in 2010 by taking away the Senate from the hardcore leftists that are running it now and rubber stamping everything the Obamanation sends them.  >:(
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Re: America to Abandon Israel - We already knew this
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2009, 12:09:33 AM »
absolutelyMuman,

You are entireally correct.
Especially under Obama's rule, Israel will be abandoned by the U.S.A..

His loyalty lies with his Muslim brothers, therefore Israel is on it's own.

But, I have faith in Israel and it will prevail over anything and everything that will come it's way.

In reality, Israel has always had to stand for and protect itself.
So, as you stated "we already knew this", rings more true than ever before.

Thank you ag,

Yes, I think it is a part of our hoped for redemption. I have heard Rabbis explain that when the universe nears the day of judgement that the entire world will turn its back on Israel and all the heretics will seem like they are right. Only those who have supreme faith in the G-d of our fathers and his promise will be able to withstand the criticism and ostricisement from the nations. And then it will get even worse. I have heard that a sign will come from heaven which will show that the Muslims are right and we are wrong. This sign will cause many Jews to become disillusioned and lose their faith. But even then, the truly faithful will resist the temptation to turn against our G-d and will daven and repent and finally merit the revelation of Moshiach. It is almost like those days now. This is why I believe that we are nearing the day of judgement.
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: America to Abandon Israel - We already knew this
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2009, 12:21:32 AM »
I have heard that a sign will come from heaven which will show that the Muslims are right and we are wrong. This sign will cause many Jews to become disillusioned and lose their faith. But even then, the truly faithful will resist the temptation to turn against our G-d and will daven and repent and finally merit the revelation of Moshiach. It is almost like those days now. This is why I believe that we are nearing the day of judgement.


Where did you hear this from? I've never heard this before.

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Re: America to Abandon Israel - We already knew this
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2009, 12:25:20 AM »
I'm treading carefully when I ask this.

Is it possible, just possible, that there might be a silver lining here, at least for Israel?  This may force Jews to finally act like Jews.  Not being able to look to America, Israel instead may look to G-d.  Just as in 1967, Israel alone may in fact be blessed.

The undeniable tragedy of course, is that if America turns its back on Israel, America will be finished.  But maybe this will be only a temporary setback.  America has blessed the Jews for 350 years (I think that's how long Jews have lived here).  By comparison, four years is not significant.  Maybe we will elect Sarah Palin in 2012 and America and Israel will once again support each other.

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Re: America to Abandon Israel - We already knew this
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2009, 01:09:55 AM »
Quote from: Zionist Revolutionary on March 19, 2009, 12:21:32 AM
I have heard that a sign will come from heaven which will show that the Muslims are right and we are wrong. This sign will cause many Jews to become disillusioned and lose their faith. But even then, the truly faithful will resist the temptation to turn against our G-d and will daven and repent and finally merit the revelation of Moshiach. It is almost like those days now. This is why I believe that we are nearing the day of judgement.


Where did you hear this from? I've never heard this before.

Hello ZionistRevolutionary,

I have been searching and searching for this information for you...

I was not able to find it written down, but I have found a lecture I heard from Rabbi Zecharia Wallerstein of Ohr Naava {A womans Yeshiva} which I watched last year.

Here is a link to this talk... The part I am discussing is brought up at 55minute point.

Quote from: Zionist Revolutionary on March 19, 2009, 12:21:32 AM
I have heard that a sign will come from heaven which will show that the Muslims are right and we are wrong. This sign will cause many Jews to become disillusioned and lose their faith. But even then, the truly faithful will resist the temptation to turn against our G-d and will daven and repent and finally merit the revelation of Moshiach. It is almost like those days now. This is why I believe that we are nearing the day of judgement.


Where did you hear this from? I've never heard this before.

Hello ZionistRevolutionary,

I have been searching and searching for this information for you...

I was not able to find it written down, but I have found a lecture I heard from Rabbi Zecharia Wallerstein of Ohr Naava {A womans Yeshiva} which I watched last year.

Here is a link to this talk... The part I am discussing is brought up at 55minute point.



I will transcribe it here:

"Something will happen in the world which will clearly show us that we are wrong, that Judaism is wrong, and the Rabbis are all wrong, and that the other side is right, the arabs are right, the muslims are right. And its gonna be very clear that this is the final test.And the people who still stick to yiddishkeit  and still stick to Hashem, the Zohar says that these people will live in Olam Haba and those are the people who will live with Moshiach and those are the people who will see the Schechina and HaKodesh Baruch Hu will extract retribution on every goy which hurt us.... Something is gonna happen which will make it seem like the Satan is right..."
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

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Re: America to Abandon Israel - We already knew this
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2009, 01:41:39 AM »
Quote from: muman613 on March 19, 2009, 01:09:55 AM
I have heard that a sign will come from heaven which will show that the Muslims are right and we are wrong. This sign will cause many Jews to become disillusioned and lose their faith. But even then, the truly faithful will resist the temptation to turn against our G-d and will daven and repent and finally merit the revelation of Moshiach. It is almost like those days now. This is why I believe that we are nearing the day of judgement.


Where did you hear this from? I've never heard this before.

Hello ZionistRevolutionary,

I have been searching and searching for this information for you...

I was not able to find it written down, but I have found a lecture I heard from Rabbi Zecharia Wallerstein of Ohr Naava {A womans Yeshiva} which I watched last year.

Here is a link to this talk... The part I am discussing is brought up at 55minute point.

Quote from: muman613 on March 19, 2009, 01:09:55 AM
I have heard that a sign will come from heaven which will show that the Muslims are right and we are wrong. This sign will cause many Jews to become disillusioned and lose their faith. But even then, the truly faithful will resist the temptation to turn against our G-d and will daven and repent and finally merit the revelation of Moshiach. It is almost like those days now. This is why I believe that we are nearing the day of judgement.


Where did you hear this from? I've never heard this before.

Hello ZionistRevolutionary,

I have been searching and searching for this information for you...

I was not able to find it written down, but I have found a lecture I heard from Rabbi Zecharia Wallerstein of Ohr Naava {A womans Yeshiva} which I watched last year.

Here is a link to this talk... The part I am discussing is brought up at 55minute point.



I will transcribe it here:

"Something will happen in the world which will clearly show us that we are wrong, that Judaism is wrong, and the Rabbis are all wrong, and that the other side is right, the arabs are right, the muslims are right. And its gonna be very clear that this is the final test.And the people who still stick to yiddishkeit  and still stick to Hashem, the Zohar says that these people will live in Olam Haba and those are the people who will live with Moshiach and those are the people who will see the Schechina and HaKodesh Baruch Hu will extract retribution on every goy which hurt us.... Something is gonna happen which will make it seem like the Satan is right..."


Sounds like the Christians' prediction of the Anti-Christ and his false religion that is followed by a large portion of the population. Interesting parallels 
Nuke the arabs till they glow, then shoot them in the dark.