Author Topic: Black guys are making fine wines (Read 2500 times)

Ulli · « **on:** April 13, 2009, 03:40:06 PM »

Black guys are making fine wines

http://www.visioncellars.com/winemaker.html

http://www.sharpcellars.com/

http://www.esterlinavineyards.com/

Wow, the prices are really upscale. I never know, that there is something like this in the US. You never hear about it. You hear praise only about the evil ones, like rappers for example.

Rubystars · « **Reply #1 on:** April 13, 2009, 04:45:42 PM »

I wouldn't want to drink that wine.

Ulli · « **Reply #2 on:** April 13, 2009, 04:50:18 PM »

Quote from: Rubystars on April 13, 2009, 04:45:42 PM

I wouldn't want to drink that wine.

Why not?

Rubystars · « **Reply #3 on:** April 13, 2009, 04:51:42 PM »

Quote from: Pheasant on April 13, 2009, 04:50:18 PM

Quote from: Rubystars on April 13, 2009, 04:45:42 PM
I wouldn't want to drink that wine.

Why not?

I don't like to give them any more money than they're already getting.

t_h_j · « **Reply #4 on:** April 13, 2009, 04:59:17 PM »

Quote from: Rubystars on April 13, 2009, 04:51:42 PM

Quote from: Pheasant on April 13, 2009, 04:50:18 PM
Quote from: Rubystars on April 13, 2009, 04:45:42 PM
I wouldn't want to drink that wine.

Why not?

I don't like to give them any more money than they're already getting.

and why is that?

AsheDina · « **Reply #5 on:** April 13, 2009, 05:04:09 PM »

Quote from: t_h_j on April 13, 2009, 04:59:17 PM

Quote from: Rubystars on April 13, 2009, 04:51:42 PM
Quote from: Pheasant on April 13, 2009, 04:50:18 PM
Quote from: Rubystars on April 13, 2009, 04:45:42 PM
I wouldn't want to drink that wine.

Why not?

I don't like to give them any more money than they're already getting.

and why is that?

You probably dont live in NY, do you T H J?? IF you did, you would SEE the RACISM AGAINST WHITE people, BIGTIME

Adrian Wainer · « **Reply #6 on:** April 13, 2009, 05:13:02 PM »

Quote from: AsheDina on April 13, 2009, 05:04:09 PM

You probably dont live in NY, do you T H J?? IF you did, you would SEE the RACISM AGAINST WHITE people, BIGTIME

Just the same way there were decent white folks, when anti-black racism was endemic in the US, there are decent black folks now when anti-white racism is endemic in the US. You should judge a person by how they act and what they say, not the color of their skin.

Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer

t_h_j · « **Reply #7 on:** April 13, 2009, 05:14:15 PM »

Quote from: AsheDina on April 13, 2009, 05:04:09 PM

Quote from: t_h_j on April 13, 2009, 04:59:17 PM
Quote from: Rubystars on April 13, 2009, 04:51:42 PM
Quote from: Pheasant on April 13, 2009, 04:50:18 PM
Quote from: Rubystars on April 13, 2009, 04:45:42 PM
I wouldn't want to drink that wine.

Why not?

I don't like to give them any more money than they're already getting.

and why is that?

You probably dont live in NY, do you T H J?? IF you did, you would SEE the RACISM AGAINST WHITE people, BIGTIME

so to get back at them, you'll just boycott some black vintners in california?

SW · « **Reply #8 on:** April 13, 2009, 05:50:16 PM »

I don't know a lot about wine. But if you say it taste good then I would search for it in the local supermarket. Last week I asked for Israeli wine. But they hadn't any

I think I have to order Israeli kosher wine from Israel with the Internet.

I heard a lot about the black problem in NYC. But I also think there are some good blacks (may not in NYC but at other places in the US and the world). But there are also blacks you can put into the garbage.

Rubystars · « **Reply #9 on:** April 13, 2009, 06:17:29 PM »

I don't have anything against the individual wineries if they're run by good people but with all the money going to the blacks anyway I would rather patronize a white business.

t_h_j · « **Reply #10 on:** April 13, 2009, 07:00:54 PM »

Quote from: Rubystars on April 13, 2009, 06:17:29 PM

I don't have anything against the individual wineries if they're run by good people but with all the money going to the blacks anyway I would rather patronize a white business.

and that statement is totally not racist, right?

Adrian Wainer · « **Reply #11 on:** April 13, 2009, 07:07:54 PM »

Quote from: t_h_j on April 13, 2009, 07:00:54 PM

Quote from: Rubystars on April 13, 2009, 06:17:29 PM
I don't have anything against the individual wineries if they're run by good people but with all the money going to the blacks anyway I would rather patronize a white business.

and that statement is totally not racist, right?

Well it is pretty questionable if that statement is racist or not racist, if the level of discrimination directed against White people and favored towards black folks is sufficiently high, it may be reasonable to seek to support White businesses.

Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer

nessuno · « **Reply #12 on:** April 13, 2009, 07:09:08 PM »

Quote from: t_h_j on April 13, 2009, 07:00:54 PM

Quote from: Rubystars on April 13, 2009, 06:17:29 PM
I don't have anything against the individual wineries if they're run by good people but with all the money going to the blacks anyway I would rather patronize a white business.

and that statement is totally not racist, right?

Totally not. You are correct.

Ulli · « **Reply #13 on:** April 13, 2009, 07:12:04 PM »

Quote from: Adrian Wainer on April 13, 2009, 07:07:54 PM

Quote from: t_h_j on April 13, 2009, 07:00:54 PM
Quote from: Rubystars on April 13, 2009, 06:17:29 PM
I don't have anything against the individual wineries if they're run by good people but with all the money going to the blacks anyway I would rather patronize a white business.

and that statement is totally not racist, right?

Well it pretty questionable if that statement is racist or not racist, if the level of discrimination directed against White people and favored towards black folks is sufficiently high, it may be reasonable to seek to support White businesses.

Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer

Imo this is up to the market. If people like this wine they will buy it and if it is "fusel" they will not buy it.

It is not the task of the gouvernment to support buisinesses. This would be socialism.

Adrian Wainer · « **Reply #14 on:** April 13, 2009, 07:13:39 PM »

Quote from: bullcat3 on April 13, 2009, 07:09:08 PM

Quote from: t_h_j on April 13, 2009, 07:00:54 PM
Quote from: Rubystars on April 13, 2009, 06:17:29 PM
I don't have anything against the individual wineries if they're run by good people but with all the money going to the blacks anyway I would rather patronize a white business.

and that statement is totally not racist, right?
Totally not. You are correct.

Sorry people who are used to British English like me, will likely find it impossible to understand what you mean.

Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer

Adrian Wainer · « **Reply #15 on:** April 13, 2009, 07:17:31 PM »

Quote from: Pheasant on April 13, 2009, 07:12:04 PM

Quote from: Adrian Wainer on April 13, 2009, 07:07:54 PM
Quote from: t_h_j on April 13, 2009, 07:00:54 PM
Quote from: Rubystars on April 13, 2009, 06:17:29 PM
I don't have anything against the individual wineries if they're run by good people but with all the money going to the blacks anyway I would rather patronize a white business.

and that statement is totally not racist, right?

Well it pretty questionable if that statement is racist or not racist, if the level of discrimination directed against White people and favored towards black folks is sufficiently high, it may be reasonable to seek to support White businesses.

Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer

Imo this is up to the market. If people like this wine they will buy it and if it is "fusel" they will not buy it.

It is not the task of the gouvernment to support buisinesses. This would be socialism.

I thought the particular point being debated, was whether it was racist or not racist to target one purchases towards White companies, if the US Government is unfairly discriminating against White folks?

Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer

Ulli · « **Reply #16 on:** April 13, 2009, 07:27:02 PM »

Adrian, I don't care about what is racist or not. I obviously hate this racism discussions, because I think it is nonsense and only empty worded sophism. I have my believes and if somebody would call me racist I would laugh on him. Sorry, that I changed the issue.

Althrough I understand your point theoretically.

Rubystars · « **Reply #17 on:** April 13, 2009, 07:32:23 PM »

Thanks bullcat and Adrian.

nessuno · « **Reply #18 on:** April 13, 2009, 07:41:10 PM »

Quote from: Rubystars on April 13, 2009, 07:32:23 PM

Thanks bullcat and Adrian.

I'm with you Rubystars. Your statement wasn't racist. You are one of the smartest and kindest woman I know.

I'm sick of people who use the word racist...like a weapon.

cjd · « **Reply #19 on:** April 13, 2009, 07:54:19 PM »

Wow now we even have to be concerned about political correctness when shopping for a bottle of wine. If I was buying a wine and I stumbled on to an interesting bottle of wine that tasted good and later found out it came from a black owned company I might buy it again. If it was pointed out to me in the store as a selling feature I would turn my nose up at it and look for something else. In all honesty the wine would have to be very good for me to patronize a black owned company.

Rubystars · « **Reply #20 on:** April 13, 2009, 08:17:47 PM »

Blacks in America have murdered thousands and thousands of whites and many of these murders have gone unreported in the mainstream news media and only mentioned briefly in local papers. That's not even counting the thousands of rapes every year that they commit, the robberies, the assaults, etc. The government forces whites to hire incompetent blacks, gives them all kinds of leniencies, benefits, etc. at white expense. Why the heck would I want to buy their products?

Quote from: bullcat3 on April 13, 2009, 07:41:10 PM

I'm with you Rubystars. Your statement wasn't racist. You are one of the smartest and kindest woman I know.

I'm sick of people who use the word racist...like a weapon.

Thanks for your kind compliments bullcat

You're great! I also agree with you that the word racist has been been used in an abusive manner.

Quote from: cjd

Wow now we even have to be concerned about political correctness when shopping for a bottle of wine. If I was buying a wine and I stumbled on to an interesting bottle of wine that tasted good and later found out it came from a black owned company I might buy it again. If it was pointed out to me in the store as a selling feature I would turn my nose up at it and look for something else. In all honesty the wine would have to be very good for me to patronize a black owned company.

Yeah that's definitely not a good selling point for me either.

Adrian Wainer · « **Reply #21 on:** April 13, 2009, 08:50:07 PM »

Quote from: Pheasant on April 13, 2009, 07:27:02 PM

Adrian, I don't care about what is racist or not. I obviously hate this racism discussions, because I think it is nonsense and only empty worded sophism. I have my believes and if somebody would call me racist I would laugh on him. Sorry, that I changed the issue.

Althrough I understand your point theoretically.

LOL Agreed. The whole racism thing can be quite funny. Like, I regularly get attacked as being "Islamophobic" by folks who do not know what a phobia is and neither can they they define what Islam is. Like a person who is walking walking down 5th Avenue in New York and who is scared of being attacked by a Great White Shark is suffering from a phobia. A wildlife photographer who is doing a shoot with Great Whites and has an objective of getting great photos, whilst trying to reduce risks to a minimum is not being phobic.

Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer

Mishmaat · « **Reply #22 on:** April 13, 2009, 11:29:03 PM »

Quote from: bullcat3 on April 13, 2009, 07:41:10 PM

You are one of the smartest and kindest woman I know.

I think that statement is perfectly applicable to you, bullcat.

nessuno · « **Reply #23 on:** April 14, 2009, 07:17:01 PM »

Quote from: Mishmaat on April 13, 2009, 11:29:03 PM

Quote from: bullcat3 on April 13, 2009, 07:41:10 PM
You are one of the smartest and kindest woman I know.

I think that statement is perfectly applicable to you, bullcat.

Thank You, Mishmaat. Except for the woman part

, that statement applies to you too!

You are smart and very kind.

Sentinel For Truth · « **Reply #24 on:** April 17, 2009, 05:28:50 AM »

Most black winemakers are skilled at fermented pruno in their prison toilets. "Sho is fine wahn, hints of feces and grape jelly! mmm-hmm!"