Islamic orgins of the human races intersting.

[BabylonianJew]

According to Islam Noah had Four childern, K'annan, Japeith, Shem, and Ham. K'annan is the father of the Mongoliod races who intermarried with Magog's childern of Japeith. Shem the father of the Arabs,Copts,Berbers,Israelites and Ham the father of the Black races.

[dawntreader]

We all know however, that since the Tanach was written well over a thousand years before Islam ever came into being...that the Muslim accounting of any Biblical stories is suspect. Particularly since theirs is a revelation given to man by an angel.

Ours on the other hand was given directly by G-d.

Lets weigh the two...G-d...angel....G-d...angel....hmmmmmm....

I would go with the account given by the Creator rather than by the creation.

Wouldn't you agree?

[mord]

aLOT OF THE kORAN WAS TAKEN FROM THE APOCRYPHI

[BabylonianJew]

We all know however, that since the Tanach was written well over a thousand years before Islam ever came into being...that the Muslim accounting of any Biblical stories is suspect. Particularly since theirs is a revelation given to man by an angel.

Ours on the other hand was given directly by G-d.

Lets weigh the two...G-d...angel....G-d...angel....hmmmmmm....

I would go with the account given by the Creator rather than by the creation.

Wouldn't you agree?

I agree, but in the mainstream Jaudieo-Chirstianity the Mongoliods are left out, but in Islam their not their Ka'nnan decendnants. In Jaudism Japeith=Europeans, Shem=Middle Easterners, and Ham=Africans/Blacks

[dawntreader]

Mongoloids are not left out in the Bible. You can get all the races on earth from the genetic differences of Noach's three sons and their wives.

Nowhere does it say all "White" people came directly from Japheth, all Black people from Ham, and all the rest from Shem.

You can tell since "caucasians" come from both Shem AND Japheth.

I would have no doubt that perhaps Mongoloids might come from intermarriage between the children of Japheth and Ham...or from Shem and Ham, or even from Shem and Japheth.

Australoids would probably come from Ham and would be a variant on the negros.

There doesn't have to be an "extra" son.

[Mishmaat]

Muhammad being an illiterate moron got the account completely wrong. He portrays Noach as a racist praying for Cham's descendants skin color to change. Could you imagine this? And Canaan is the son of Cham, not Noach.

[BabylonianJew]

Muhammad being an illiterate moron got the account completely wrong. He portrays Noach as a racist praying for Cham's descendants skin color to change. Could you imagine this? And Canaan is the son of Cham, not Noach.

No in Islam, the K'annan, and Cannan are two different people. K'annan the oldest son of Noah, and Cannan is the son of Ham in Islam.

[Mishmaat]

Noach was castrated by Cham. There is no way possible that he could have had another child. Islam is retarded.

[BabylonianJew]

Noach was castrated by Cham. There is no way possible that he could have had another child. Islam is retarded.

Well in Islam its goes like this the oldest son K'ananan the father of the Mongoliod races was born before Japeith was born before Shem, and before Ham. But he died in the flood, because he was not a good person but his decendants were saved.

[Mishmaat]

If K'annan died in the flood, how did his descendants survive? What nonsense.

[BabylonianJew]

If K'annan died in the flood, how did his descendants survive? What nonsense.

He had a doughter who married Magog the child of Japeith. Muslims idenitfay Magog=Mongolia

[BabylonianJew]

The doughter survived the flood ofcourse, and went to the ark.

[Sarah]

 Noah's wife went to hell-the story where she disintergrated into dust-, and  one of his sons was not in the Ark with him and so was drowned in the flood.
 However, the Bible says that Noah, his wife, and his three sons and daughters-in-law (8 of them) were the only people saved in the Ark. After the flood, the Bible detailed the descendents of the humand race from these three sons.

Can i just say without suggesting anything. The Quran was revealed over a period of time. Not just written when compiled. So Muslims believe that the stories were sent down as guidances for the Prophet and the Muslim ummah. So God -through angel jibra'il- sent different morals replacing the olderones beforehand.

[kahaneloyalist]

I think we really should stop focusing on race, and focus on behavior

[dawntreader]

Amen Kahane Loyalist.

Behavior is what is important. Not someone's race.

But as far as this thread is concerned...again I would say one thing.

in Islam vs. Judaism...it comes down to revelation by an Angel, which is a created being, vs. revelation by G-d...the Supreme being who was never created but always was.

For me, I will always trust the one who was there first and has been around the longest.

[Sarah]

Kahaneloyalist, you are absolutely right. However behavior categorizes and is different among different races. Not in terms of intelligence relating to skin colour, no, but instead their mentality, traditions, culture that they practice within their own race. This heavily influences a persons behavior and makes them think differently. Yet it all stems from their Racial upbringing and way of life. I don't mean racial as in skin colour, because that is merely a overcoat of someones self. I mean a race as in nation. A nation of people who have followed them wrong teachings etc. Identifying ones race could lead to the understanding of their behavior.
Also, its a very interesting topic. To know which nations descended from who etc