WHAT'S SO IMPORTANT ABOUT HITLER'S WAR ON THE JEWS?

[Din Rodef]

What is your opinion on that?  I don't agree but I think it's always fair to criticize Anglos.

The thread starter's opinion is very healthy from a Jewish perspective...especially if that Jew happens to live in Israel.

But, if that Jew happens to live in a Gentile nation...then the Gentiles certainly have the right to criticize the opinion of that Jew.

Unfortunately, most Gentile criticism of Jewish accepted Holocaust teaching/interpretation within Gentile Nations is met with, "YOU'RE A NAZI!"

This knee-jerk reaction by Jews to Gentile criticism is a very serious driving force behind recruitment for groups like StørmFrønt. Most White kids have been called racist Nazis so much...that they start to think..."Why don't I become a racist Nazi since I'm going to be accused of being one anyway?"

This is only a conflict because Jews are still living amongst the Gentile Nations.

Have they been called Nazi's so much? I maybe accused 2 or 3 people out of thousands of people I have met and they had to really [censored] me off.  I don't think most white kids have been called racist Nazis...unless they shave their head and discuss racialism all the time, talk bad and act bad.

I think it is fair to look at the Holocaust from a logical perpective. It is not 'blasphemy' to question the holocaust and the Jewish account of what happened.  It's perfectly fine to ask questions and want proof and to see resources. The problem is, that the sites and sources mentioned (like the one mentioned by TruthTyper in another thread) are pure garbage. See http://www.onethirdoftheholocaust.com/

Even a 5th grader can see the huge gaps in logic that their arguments make.  So most Holocaust deniers come up with proofs and reports which are completely fallible, even by the lowest of the low academic standards.  There are huge gaps in the logic, and kids do look at these sites and say see, here is proof, I knew those Jews were lying.  Then it just becomes twisted.  And then we start to get into relativism arguments like comparing it to any other event like the Indians or whatever.

I think the evidence is pretty damning.  They set up train tracks to crematoriums.  Even the deniers usually admit this in their models.  That shows the intent right there.  If that alone isn't foul beyond comprehension, we also have hundreds, maybe thousands of eye-witness accounts of what went down there as well as pictures of stacks of dead bodies.

If you want to look further, you could probably look at government census data for Jewish populations then and now.

It comes down to what Chaim talked about on the show this week about looking at it as a judge and not a lawyer.

From a judge looking at this you can't draw to many other conclusions.  The evidence is damning.

Then you have the deniers who get a book from the library and circle one or two questionable passages from a book about the Holocaust and say, see it's all a Jewish propoganda lie.

To me it's not about making kids feel guilty, it's about seeing the truth. Calling a duck a duck instead of a monkey.  It's a sin to aquit the guilty so easily...Let alone allow them to go on to try similar deeds or to influence children.

If someone was on trial for shoving 5 of your relatives into a woodchipper, and all the evidence points to show that he did it (machines on their property, remains of bodies etc...) would you get pretty pissed when someone says,

"Well, some Indians got shot once' so it's all relative and uh, they would have needed an extension chord to make the machine work, and there wasn't a hardware store within 30 miles!"

I also think it is sorta ironic how guys like 'Ernst Zundel' worked to free Germany from the 'blood libel' of the Holocaust.  When it was actually their 'blood libel' against Jews which was used to rationalize the Holocaust.

I don't believe in calling anyone who questions the Holocaust a Nazi, but I don't believe that a Nazi should be aquitted with sham arguments.  Someone who readily believes weak arguments against the Holocaust (with so much evidence that all did occur as accounted) probably is either mentally retarded, a Nazi or has Nazi leanings, or has future Nazi desires.

Nazis are a dirty bunch of treachorous faggots, may every last one of them be obliterated forever.

good post mackab I agree with everything you said

White guys are always called Nazis. Maybe you'd have to be a white guy to know it. We're getting pretty f'in sick of it. Really sick of it.

Western Civilization had never apologized for being White until after World War 2. Since then, anytime a white guy attempts to defend his own race and culture he is branded a Nazi. It is not a coincidence that the entire West has been invaded by 3rd world non-whites only since the end of World War 2....This is because whites won't defend themselves...They have been brainwashed to believe that they are Nazis for defending their own race and civilization.

[Din Rodef]

JSullivan,

Dude, can I just say you rock? Your post was brilliant and dead on correct.

it was a vile post Dawntreader

[MassuhDGoodName]

"...I'm just repeating exactly what the bible commands...."

Din Rodef,
So far, you've demonstrated to me that the total amount of knowledge you possess regarding not only the Bible, but every other intellectual or spiritual endeavor, wouldn't even fill a thimble.
And, yes....you indeed are a reprobate Jew-Hater.  It seethes inside of you at every opportunity.  Do yourself a big favor and just go ahead and join up with David Duke and Don Black, don the brownshirts & swastika, donate & march; because your spiritual condition is that of a true hater.  The day the last Jew leaves the U.S. will be the saddest day of your life, because you then will be forced to find a new "imaginary devil" to blame for your crappy life, but undoubtedly that day will find you shift your position from "Jews Raus!"...to "Death to Israel and The Jews!!!"  Your hatred for us is truly a psychopathic obsession without any basis in reality; and your "so called" support for Israel is only so that you can demand we leave your presence and enable your "white race" to restore some non-existant "Pure White World", which never ever existed, and never ever will exist...except, of course in StørmFrønt comicbooks and propaganda designed for those whose hate is only matched by their incapacity to reason and think.
You lack the ability to change out thinking.  You lack the ability to make us accept Christ as personal Lord and Saviour.  You know nothing about Jews other than what you've learned from propaganda.  You even lack the ability to insult us; because we've heard it all long before you arrived as the Størm Frønt Troll.   

[Din Rodef]

MasshuhD

Now you are calling me a Jew Hater

Would the presence of Christian White Gentiles within the Israeli Knesset help the Jewish Identity of the Nation of Israel...or undermine it?

Would the presence of Christian White Gentiles within Israeli media help the Jewish Identity of the Nation of Israel...or undermine it?

Would the presence of 10s of thousands of Christian White Gentile voters and their Christian lobbyists hold sway over Israeli elections if they were allowed to vote within Israel?

I support Israel 1000% and it's right to be a Jewish state. In my opinion, Christian White Gentiles have no right to be in Israel and their presence would undermine the uniquely Jewish character of the nation. Now MassuhD..."put the shoe on the other foot"

[Din Rodef]

You even lack the ability to insult us; because we've heard it all long before you arrived as the Størm Frønt Troll.   

I don't insult you...because I actually support  JTF.

It is impossible for Jews to claim they have the right to maintain a Jewish Israel...while simultaneously claiming that White Americans don't have the right to maintain a White Christian America.

This is impossible to two reasons.
1) It is hypocritical
2) It goes against the Bible. There is no Biblical justification for Jewish presence in Gentile lands now that the Nation of Israel has been created. THE DIASPORA IS OVER.

I find it interesting that the people I'm arguing with in this thread are (from my knowledge) not residing in Israel. They are mostly still residing in Gentile Nations. I think this is the heart of the opposition to my previous posts.

[MassuhDGoodName]

Re:  "...Maybe you'd have to be a white guy to know it. We're getting pretty f'in sick of it. Really sick of it..."

Maybe.

But then again, just because you say you're white with a computer keyboard in cyberspace, that don't mean that you really are white; if you catch my drift, that is....

And besides, white people don't go around referring to themselves in the 3rd person plural as "We"..., "We're"...

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[Din Rodef]

Størm Frønt Troll.   

That's funny

StørmFrønt banned me for being a Jewish Troll when I tried to promote JTF to the white kids. I was doing a pretty good job of driving the Nazis crazy. You would have been proud.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

I'M SICK OF JEWS CALLING ME AN ANTI-SEMITE EVERY TIME I HAVE A DISAGREEMENT WITH THEM

Your malicious post is a perfect example of why Jews can't continue to live in Gentile Nations. The majority of Jews don't seem to even make an attempt to understand a perspective that is different than their own. You just called me a Nazi for disagreeing with you.

You are a f'ing moron, Adolf. Pay some damn attention to us when we post. Jimmy is not Jewish at all but an Irish Noahide. I am, just as you claim to be, a Gentile Christian. Shove it up your arse either way.

[Din Rodef]

Re:  "...Maybe you'd have to be a white guy to know it. We're getting pretty f'in sick of it. Really sick of it..."

Maybe.

But then again, just because you say you're white with a computer keyboard in cyberspace, that don't mean that you really are white; if you catch my drift, that is....

And besides, white people don't go around referring to themselves in the 3rd person plural as "We"..., "We're"...

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now you're deviating again massuhD...just like you did with the "laundry list"  

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

PS: Din, you might also be pleased to know that I'm nonwhite.  (Albeit if you'd bothered to read a minimal quantity of my posts, you'd already know that, dipspit.)

Go have fun playing with your Aryan friends, stormtrooper.
Chaimfan

[Din Rodef]

I'M SICK OF JEWS CALLING ME AN ANTI-SEMITE EVERY TIME I HAVE A DISAGREEMENT WITH THEM

Your malicious post is a perfect example of why Jews can't continue to live in Gentile Nations. The majority of Jews don't seem to even make an attempt to understand a perspective that is different than their own. You just called me a Nazi for disagreeing with you.

You are a f'ing moron, Adolf. Pay some damn attention to us when we post. Jimmy is not Jewish at all but an Irish Noahide. I am, just as you claim to be, a Gentile Christian. Shove it up your arse either way.

I don't like being called a Nazi...I don't give a rat's arse if it's a Jew doing it or an Irishmen.

But it really doesn't matter who JSULLILVAN is anyway. His post was vile and it misses the truth.

Hashem will make sure that Jewish presence in Gentile lands won't be tolerated for much longer. Hashem will send another Holocaust. Don't believe me....Ask Chaim Ben Pesach what he thinks?

Anyhow Chaimfan...I've enjoyed posting with you up until now. Our little disagreement hasn't made me like you any less. I think you are just confused.  I hope things work out well for you in the future.

[Din Rodef]

PS: Din, you might also be pleased to know that I'm nonwhite.  (Albeit if you'd bothered to read a minimal quantity of my posts, you'd already know that, dipspit.)

Go have fun playing with your Aryan friends, stormtrooper.
Chaimfan

I don't care if you're green

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Hashem will send another Holocaust. Don't believe me....Ask Chaim Ben Pesach what he thinks?

Anyhow Chaimfan...I've enjoyed posting with you up until now. Our little disagreement hasn't made me like you any less. I think you are just confused.  I hope things work out well for you in the future.

Go join NAMBLA (if you aren't already a member, which I doubt) and find a cute blond Swedish boy to rape (which you are probably already doing as you type). You don't believe in Hashem and never have believed in the Lord of the Bible for one minute. Your deities are Odin and Thor, faggot.

[Din Rodef]

Hashem will send another Holocaust. Don't believe me....Ask Chaim Ben Pesach what he thinks?

Anyhow Chaimfan...I've enjoyed posting with you up until now. Our little disagreement hasn't made me like you any less. I think you are just confused.  I hope things work out well for you in the future.

Go join NAMBLA (if you aren't already a member, which I doubt) and find a cute blond Swedish boy to rape (which you are probably already doing as you type). You don't believe in Hashem and never have believed in the Lord of the Bible for one minute. Your deities are Odin and Thor, faggot.

wow...now you're really trying hard to make me not like you

One disagreement and you are turning into frothing at the mouth psycho?

[Trumpeldor]

"Hashem will make sure that Jewish presence in Gentile lands won't be tolerated for much longer. Hashem will send another Holocaust. Don't believe me....Ask Chaim Ben Pesach what he thinks?

Why don't you elaborate on this instead of falsely attributing such controversial quotes to Chaim? This is half-truth garbage.

You're right, I'm a Jew living in the Diaspora and I'm going to be here for a while. True, I don't 'belong' here, but you're going to have to get used to it.

[Din Rodef]

"Hashem will make sure that Jewish presence in Gentile lands won't be tolerated for much longer. Hashem will send another Holocaust. Don't believe me....Ask Chaim Ben Pesach what he thinks?

Why don't you elaborate on this instead of falsely attributing such controversial quotes to Chaim?

Why don't you ask Chaim yourself?

Do it on the "Ask JTF" segment....

Ask him this..."Chaim, do you think Hashem will send another Holocaust against the Jews if they don't leave the Gentile Nations and return to Israel?"

I already know his answer...but maybe you need to hear it from him

[Trumpeldor]

"Hashem will make sure that Jewish presence in Gentile lands won't be tolerated for much longer. Hashem will send another Holocaust. Don't believe me....Ask Chaim Ben Pesach what he thinks?

Why don't you elaborate on this instead of falsely attributing such controversial quotes to Chaim?

Why don't you ask Chaim yourself?

Do it on the "Ask JTF" segment....

Ask him this..."Chaim, do you think Hashem will send another Holocaust against the Jews if they don't leave the Gentile Nations and return to Israel?"

Since you believe this and presumably that G-d sent the original Holocaust, I'd love to hear your rationale for it. Chaim has his own opinions; I don't agree with everything he says. But since you supposedly share the same belief, I'd like to hear you defend it.

The Holocaust did not happen because Jews lived in the Galut (exile). While, it is true that it would have been avoided if Jews lived in the Land of Israel, you seem to be steadfast in deliberately confusing correlation with causality.

[Din Rodef]

Since you believe this and presumably that G-d sent the original Holocaust, I'd love to hear your rationale for it.

Hashem allowed it to happen otherwise it never would have occured. Hashem never does anything without a reason.

The whole point of this thread is that Christian perspective will be different than Jewish perspective. OF course, I already know that most Jews would reject my Christian reasons for believing that Hashem allowed the Holocaust. It is not my intention to change Jewish thinking about their own identity and history. I want Jews to maintain their uniquely Jewish perspective. My point is...I WANT THAT JEWISH PERSPECTIVE TO BE MADE FROM ISRAEL...not the Gentile nations.

Chaim has his own opinions; I don't agree with everything he says. But since you supposedly share the same belief, I'd like to hear you defend it.

Chaim is closer to Hashem than any of us are.

The Holocaust did not happen because Jews lived in the Galut (exile). While, it is true that it would have been avoided if Jews lived in the Land of Israel, you seem to be steadfast in deliberately confusing correlation with causality.

You just answered your own question. It could have been avoided if the Jews lived in the Land of Israel. Hashem sent many signs and gave European Jewry many years of warning. Unfortunately, most did not listen.

Sadly, I fear the same thing is happening today.

[Din Rodef]

You're right, I'm a Jew living in the Diaspora and I'm going to be here for a while. True, I don't 'belong' here, but you're going to have to get used to it.

You don't belong in the Gentile Nations...

and you are the one that is going to have to "get used to it"

Reflect on the tone of your post...and then ask yourself..."Why would a Gentile want to share his nation with such a hostile guest?"

[Din Rodef]

BTW - If I were to get banned for my beliefs.

Then that would only be proving my point that Jews in Diaspora view all opposition as Nazi.

Unfortunately, If Jews are to live in Gentile Lands then they must also consider Gentile opinions. If those opinions are repulsive to them...then they should MOVE TO ISRAEL.

[dawntreader]

Din,

Some things to consider....

If one is born in the USA, then that person is a citizen...it does not matter if one is white, black or asian or hispanic....or Jewish. If one is born here then they are not a "guest."

This is particularly true, since as you know, Jews funded the American Revolution against Great Britain.

As to your assertions that the USA was a "White Christian Nation" to begin with...it is true that a majority of the founding fathers were christians. And they were white. But there WERE those who were Deists and even atheists.

Something else to consider...all the original Christians WERE Jews.

The only reason it quit being a Jewish sect and became something else is because certain Gentiles, when accepting that Jesus was the Messiah, decided that it was ok to NOT be Jewish (Also due to the Apostle Paul), and to go ahead and incorporate their own pagan practices into their new faith. (To be fair, the Apostle Paul did not advocate any pagan practices.)

The Roman Catholic Church changed the Jewish sect of Nazarines into an unrecognizable new religion.

The point is, you wouldn't have Christianity without the Jews. You wouldn't have Jesus without the Jews. You wouldn't have America as it is known today without the Jews.

And if you claim to be a Christian...then race has no bearing whatsoever. In fact according to the Apostle Paul, if one is a believer in Jesus...there is supposed to be no longer Jew nor Greek. Correct? They are all supposed to be one in the faith.

That seems to me that if there is no longer Jew nor Greek, then there is also neither black nor White. Or any other color you might happen to focus upon.

I would also tend to think that the posts by yourself AND Chaimfan do not show much of the "love of Christ" that many Christians believe they should have. You both are cussing each other out and stuff. Doesn't seem right to me.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

BTW - If I were to get banned for my beliefs.

Then that would only be proving my point that Jews in Diaspora view all opposition as Nazi.

Quit grasping at straws. I already demonstrated that at least half of the people tearing your Nazi ass to shreds on this forum are GENTILES. Everyone hates your sick faggot ass.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

I would also tend to think that the posts by yourself AND Chaimfan do not show much of the "love of Christ" that many Christians believe they should have. You both are cussing each other out and stuff. Doesn't seem right to me.

I will concede that you have a point, and that indeed I am the worst of all hypocrites. However, it is difficult to compose myself in the face of Nazis trolling a Jewish forum.

PS: Your historical facts are all correct. Paul always was a devout member of the Pharisaical sect and never once renounced this or his Judaism in the least.

[Din Rodef]

Din,

Some things to consider....

If one is born in the USA, then that person is a citizen...it does not matter if one is white, black or asian or hispanic....or Jewish. If one is born here then they are not a "guest."

According to the Bible...the Jews living in America are here as part of the Diaspora. The Diaspora is punishment. It doesn't matter if they are citizens or not. It doesn't matter if they are "guests" or not

This is particularly true, since as you know, Jews funded the American Revolution against Great Britain.

The French claim that they funded the Revolution too. So are all French really Americans now?

As to your assertions that the USA was a "White Christian Nation" to begin with...it is true that a majority of the founding fathers were christians. And they were white. But there WERE those who were Deists and even atheists.

All of the founders of America agreed that this was a Christian Nation and that it would have to remain Christian in order to survive as the founders intended. All of the founders were White. If some of them happened to be Deists or Athiests that didn't change the fact that the National Origin of the country is predominantly White European Christian.

BTW - You are undermining the nation with this argument. Which goes back to my original point...Jewish perspective undermines the identity of our nation.

Something else to consider...all the original Christians WERE Jews.

and absolutely none of them were alive to see the Constitution get signed.

The only reason it quit being a Jewish sect and became something else is because certain Gentiles, when accepting that Jesus was the Messiah, decided that it was ok to NOT be Jewish (Also due to the Apostle Paul), and to go ahead and incorporate their own pagan practices into their new faith. (To be fair, the Apostle Paul did not advocate any pagan practices.)

Again, this is your Jewish Perspective and it also undermines our Christian Identity.

The Roman Catholic Church changed the Jewish sect of Nazarines into an unrecognizable new religion.

Now you are bringing the Catholic Church into a discussion about America...This nation was founded by Protestants that disagreed with the Catholic Church vehemently. Catholicism also undermines the unique identity of this nation...

The point is, you wouldn't have Christianity without the Jews. You wouldn't have Jesus without the Jews. You wouldn't have America as it is known today without the Jews.

Totally agree

And if you claim to be a Christian...then race has no bearing whatsoever. In fact according to the Apostle Paul, if one is a believer in Jesus...there is supposed to be no longer Jew nor Greek. Correct? They are all supposed to be one in the faith.

That seems to me that if there is no longer Jew nor Greek, then there is also neither black nor White. Or any other color you might happen to focus upon.

Race has nothing to do with accepting Hashem or Christianity...BUT RACE DOES HAVE TO DO WITH WHAT CONSITUTES A NATION...otherwise...anybody could live in Israel...it wouldn't just be for the Jews....Christian White Gentiles could start moving there by the thousands and nothing would be different according to your logic.

I would also tend to think that the posts by yourself AND Chaimfan do not show much of the "love of Christ" that many Christians believe they should have. You both are cussing each other out and stuff. Doesn't seem right to me.

Again, you use your Jewish perspective to tell me what the "love of Christ" is when you don't even believe in Christ.

Why should I listen to you? Don't you see...that we have vastly different world views? The only thing we agree on is that Israel is for the Jews. Israel is given to the Jews by Hashem.

If you were living in the promised then we could have a disagreement and still be allies because we BOTH support Israel. But since you are still living in Diaspora, your contrary opinions and beliefs are a threat to me and my nation.

[Din Rodef]

BTW - If I were to get banned for my beliefs.

Then that would only be proving my point that Jews in Diaspora view all opposition as Nazi.

Quit grasping at straws. I already demonstrated that at least half of the people tearing your Nazi ass to shreds on this forum are GENTILES. Everyone hates your sick faggot ass.

Are you capable of making a post that doesn't invoke images of homosexuality? Why are you so obsessed with Nazi queers?