Which army is the better? The Israeli or the Iranian?

[ProudAndZionist]

Shalom brothers and sisters,

Vote please. I'm curious about your opinion. I think the IDF is much better, but the Iranian is big and a very large danger for us, and for the civil population of Israel. They are braver than Arabs, and they have Russian-American guns too.

[cjd]

Shalom brothers and sisters,

Vote please. I'm curious about your opinion. I think the IDF is much better, but the Iranian is big and a very large danger for us, and for the civil population of Israel. They are braver than Arabs, and they have Russian-American guns too.

The danger is not Iran's large military its world opinion. Israel is a tiny country with a very good military in the short term they can more then take care of a country like Iran. The problem will be dealing with the after war issues if Israel makes the first move. Timing is everything... Israel would need to somehow garner some support for action before it makes such a move.

[Zelhar]

The Irani military is rather lame. And remember despite their fanaticism, they lost to Iraq in the Iran-Iraq war.

[ProudAndZionist]

Did they lose the war against Iraq??

[Zelhar]

They fought a war of 9 years 1980-1988. Sadam Hussein took advantage of the weakness of the Irani Army because of the Khumeini revolution. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–Iraq_War

Eventually Iran gave up because Iraq was threatening with chemical weapon attacks on Tehran.

[ProudAndZionist]

They fought a war of 9 years 1980-1988. Sadam Hussein took advantage of the weakness of the Irani Army because of the Khumeini revolution. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–Iraq_War

Eventually Iran gave up because Iraq was threatening with chemical weapon attacks on Tehran.

But if there is war, Iran will attack the Israeli civil population.  And what can Israel do against it?

[Ulli]

They fought a war of 9 years 1980-1988. Sadam Hussein took advantage of the weakness of the Irani Army because of the Khumeini revolution. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–Iraq_War

Eventually Iran gave up because Iraq was threatening with chemical weapon attacks on Tehran.

I read, that the Iranians gave up, because the USA pressured them and finally shoot down an Iranian civil aircraft. The Iranian army was short before victory, in defiance of the hughe military support of nearly the whole world in favour of Saddam Hussein.

They are not only dangerous because of their fanatism, they are in first line dangerous, because their culture is not a culture of totally failure.They are able to do things. I can easily proof it.

Look they are building cars, aircrafts, missles and lots of other stuff on their own. And the Iranian diaspora is one of the most successfull communities ever.

Even their foreign policy is able to split western societies about non Muzzie topics. I.e they supported the anti G8 protests.

The Iranians are in some regards like the Germans even in their current leadership's special form of anti-semitism. We must be extra carefull, otherwise we will suffer hardly.

[ProudAndZionist]

A Christian Crusader European Battalion would be great. 

[ModernWarfare]

A Christian Crusader European Battalion would be great. 

Where do I sign up?

[Zelhar]

Ulli since Khumeini had died the Iranians are smarter and more patient. I don't underestimate their capability. But the fact is that their army's "paper strength" is poor when you compare it to Egypt, Turkey, or Saudi Arabia. As for being fanatic soldiers- they were fanatic during the Iran-Iraq war, and yet if you compare the sustained losses of either Iran or Iraq to France, Germany or England in WWI let alone Russia, Germany and Japan in WWII, you see that a 1st world nation fares can endure and function much better even while sustaining greater losses.

Moreover, In the Iran-Iraq war neither side was able to effectively fight deep inside enemy territory. But, nevertheless, I think Iran could operate modern technology warfare better than the Arabs. The current regime of Khamenai knows that the "human wave" is not a winning tactic. They are pursuing better options as wall know.

[Yonah]

Israel would likely be able to secure total air superiority within a few weeks. If Iran were to cut oil supplies off to the rest of the world, they would either support Israel or subversives within Iran. Iran's immense oil wealth makes it a target to covetous foreign nations. Iran's Shi'a theocracy and socialist democracy makes it a threat to the Sunni Arab kingdoms. Israel can rely on foreign support, even during a protracted war, but Iran could not. Israel and Iran do not share contiguous borders. American forces are stationed in Iraq (directly to the west of Iran) and Afghanistan (directly to the East of Iran). Any war between Israel and Iran would likely quite quickly become a war between Iran and a dozen other countries.

Iran would lose, no question about it, but it would likely fire thousands of reasonably accurate rockets at Israeli targets before its capability to do so would be destroyed.

[Sanguis]

The Iranian army is joke.
Just like the Iraqi army of Saddam 7 years ago. Everybody thought he could do alot of damage. He was just a joke. The only problem is insurgency. That's why USA/Israel shouldn't capture any country, but use the hit and run tactic. Just destroy all the infrastructure and the entire army and than leave...

[MountainMan]

If Israel is hit and all moral obstacles are now diffused, because Israel tells the UN to shove it, then the Iranians will be massacred horribly.  Once the Iranian blood is flowing by one of the world's most powerful militaries, they will probably wish to surrender and even try to oust their own leaders with hope of not being wiped out.  Remember, the Persian people as a whole, may not like Jews, but to fight a war against a peaceful nation, that was no threat to them, just so some big ,fat psychotic mullah, who considers himself next in line to the Prophet MuhamMAD, can satifisy his bloodlust, no this will not happen.  THe Persian people don't have such a beef with Israel and if their cities are all on fire and bodies laying all around because Ahmedinjab and Khamenei decided to bombard Israel with missles, I can forsee they will not have the popular support, since the morality of the people already is so against their leadership.   

Their army is disorganized, outdated and they are taking away the food money of the people to fund whatever pathetic military they have.  The only hope Iran has is that they get full support of Russian technology. That would essentially amount to a proxy war of Russia vs Israel and Russia would not be able to hide themselves ..

Israel will also destroy Iran's oil supply, leaving the country totally helpless and if Israel controls the flow of oil , they will have upper hand on Iran.. Remember, Israel survives through its brains, strong spirit and ingenuity.. Iranians surive and progress because they have oil.. Oil is just a material substance and can be destroyed if needed.   No Oil.. No Islam.

[Yonah]

Israel won't destroy Iran's oil. If it did, it would quickly lose the support of the West. Iran would revolt as soon as its military suffered a major defeat, anyways. It really can't afford to wage a protracted war.

[MountainMan]

If Iran attacks Tel Aviv, lets say with gas, biological or nuclear weapons, the cards are on the table.  Who knows what will happen.  I personally, think oil is the least they would lose if they did pursue such a vicious attack on Israeli soil, resulting in mass destruction.   

Israel can put an embargo on Iran's oil, if Iran has threatened Israel's integrity, at that point support from the West will be negligable..  Also, pissing off and isolating a powerful, nuclear armed country liked Israel, is not in the West's best interests over a pathetic nation like Iran.  As much as Obama will try to weaken Israel, he will soon find himself in a dangerous situaiton of alienating a country that has substantial world influence.

Israel and CHina were also engaging in heavy trade of weaponry and the USA forced Israel to shut down their operations and stop selling its advanced technology to CHina.  China also has some very high quality jet fighters that Israel can utilize.  If USA wishes to use military and supply leverage against Israel, Israel can take its business elsewhere.  Also, there is nothing more that the Department of Defense woudl want than a powerful advanced nuclear nation like Israel working side by side with nations like China and Russia in military trade. 

As far as Europe is concerned, screw them... All of Europe hates Israels guts and would attempt to destroy Israel at any attempt they could if they didnt' fear that they themselves would be wiped off the earth.  Look at Spain, France and Great Britain... They are all very opposed to Israel's existance.

[~Hanna~]

In my opinion, there is nothing better than the IDF....why? Because G-d is on their side.

[ProJewGreekChristian]

Is this poll a joke? LOL

[ProudAndZionist]

Is this poll a joke? LOL

Not joke. But I'm curious that who voted for Iran. 

[SW]

Of course Israel. They have the technologycal standards of the USA. Modern and successful.

[Holy Terror]

IDF - many minor reasons (better thechnology, smarter strategies etc), but there's a background for whole and for our advantage - HaShem.

[therealyemini]

The israeli army
combination of Power and Wisdom is way better than Barbarity and Stupidity isnt

[wonga66]

The Talmud predicted that the final war will be between Paras (= Persia = Iran) and Edom (= Rome= Western World= USA), they being the only two kingdoms that'll exist up to the Messianic Age. And some opinions have the Persians winning!

As one on one infantry, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard look like being a match for anyone!



Iranians are known to be none too smart. But to make up for it, they are unbelievably cunning. Which makes them triply dangerous!

[Ulli]

The Talmud predicted that the final war will be between Paras (= Persia = Iran) and Edom (= Rome= Western World= USA), they being the only two kingdoms that'll exist up to the Messianic Age. And some opinions have the Persians winning!

I don't see an Iranian victory, but I see a hard battle, because most western politicians and people underestimate Iran heavily. Iran is able to bring terrible suffering into this world. Perhaps to the same extend, that an other "great" cultural nation in central Europe brought before some decades.

[JRB]

It depends on what type of war and where it would be taking place.
Israel would win the war of sophisticated weapons but Iran would win with the vast amount of soldiers in their military plus they are all a bunch of nuts.
So this really is a hard question.

[GodIsrael]

Is this a joke? Of course Israel is far superior.