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Holocaust memorial unveiled in Romania
« on: October 12, 2009, 01:20:16 PM »
It is a very honest and courageous move of Romanian leadership.

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Romania on Thursday unveiled a monument in memory of some 300,000 Jews and Gypsies killed during the Holocaust in the country, which at times denied that the extermination even happened.

Romanian President Traian Basescu said it was Romania's duty to "recognize the genocide during World War II" and to honor the victims.

Basescu was joined by Holocaust survivors, both Jewish and Gypsies, and other leaders during the unveiling the €5 million (US$7.35 million) marble and concrete tomblike monument.

Romania today has only 6,000 Jews. The country's role in the Holocaust and the deportation of Jews were ignored by the Communists and minimized by subsequent governments after communism collapsed in 1989.

"This monument is full of symbolism. Hundreds of thousands were killed who would have contributed to the cultural and economic prosperity of Romania," said Rabbi Menachem HaCohen, Romania's chief rabbi.

Romanian authorities set up the Elie Wiesel International Commission on the Holocaust in Romania in 2003 after one ministry in the Social Democratic government denied there had been a Holocaust in Romania during World War II.

Some Romanians admire pro-Nazi Marshal Ion Antonescu, whose administration was responsible for the deaths. They see him as a hero who fought against the Soviet Union to recover Romanian territories.

"It is important that Romania acknowledges its past. It's not an easy past," said Radu Ioanid who has written several books on the Romanian Holocaust. "There are still people opposing this," he said.

Historians have documented several pogroms in Romania, including one in June 1941 in the northeastern city of Iasi, where up to 12,000 people are believed to have died as Romanian and German soldiers swept from house to house, killing Jews. Those who did not die were systematically beaten, put in cattle wagons in stifling heat and taken to a small town. Of the 120 people on the train, just 24 survived.

Other Romanian Jews were deported from Transylvania by Hungarian fascists to Nazi concentration camps. Part of Transylvania was controlled by Hungary during World War II.

Nobel Peace prize laureate Elie Wiesel, a Holocaust survivor who was deported to Auschwitz, called on Romanians not to forget their past.

"Passer-by, stop and remember," he said in a message read out. "In this wonderful country and in Trans-Dniester under the criminal regime of Antonescu, hundreds of thousands of Jews were persecuted and assassinated in bloody pogroms."

Critics say that Romanians are beginning to learn about the Holocaust.

"Romania has made great strides in recognizing the past, especially the government educational institutions," said Michelle Kelso, director of the Association for Dialogue and Civic Education. "However to win the hearts and the minds of people, there needs to be more education campaigns especially on the lessons of the Holocaust."

Director of the Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington Sarah Broomfield called the unveiling of the monument "extraordinary."

"To watch a young democracy dealing with history that was ignored by the Communists is admirable," she said. "Now they can write their own history."
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Re: Holocaust memorial unveiled in Romania
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2009, 01:21:12 PM »
Romanians always were famous about how to kiss a.ss
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Re: Holocaust memorial unveiled in Romania
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2009, 01:30:27 PM »
Romanians always were famous about how to kiss a.ss

But who did they kiss to by this recognition? I don't think they'll get something in return, it seems a honest acknowledgement of the past sins. Of course it won't help the Holocoust victims but still it's better than nothing.
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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2009, 01:34:17 PM »
Romanians always were famous about how to kiss a.ss

But who did they kiss to by this recognition? I don't think they'll get something in return, it seems a honest acknowledgement of the past sins. Of course it won't help the Holocoust victims but still it's better than nothing.

I know them very well. When the Turks attacked Europe, Romanians became their ally and they attacked Hungary with Turks in 1479. When Turks were fkced they made alliance with Russians and they kicked the Turks.

When Germany was the strongest country in Europe they made alliance with them, and they attacked Russia together. But when Russians fcked the Germans, Romanians left the Germans in trouble and joined to Russia. But when Russia lost the technology race against USA, Romanians joined to the American side.

I would never trust them. They murdered Jews together with Germans, that time they were really silent. They hate the Gypsies and Jews, especially the Gypsies, because Romania has the biggest Gypsy minority in Europe. White Israelite knows them well.
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Re: Holocaust memorial unveiled in Romania
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2009, 01:37:13 PM »
Romanians always were famous about how to kiss a.ss

But who did they kiss to by this recognition? I don't think they'll get something in return, it seems a honest acknowledgement of the past sins. Of course it won't help the Holocoust victims but still it's better than nothing.

They do it for "nice" words.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Breadfield

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Re: Holocaust memorial unveiled in Romania
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2009, 01:44:23 PM »
What about the hundreds of thousands of Jews murdered in King Carol's own Shoah prior to WWII?

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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2009, 01:46:07 PM »


They still have many fascists. Look, I'm just telling that don't trust them. They never were famous about their honor. Just look the Serbs. Interesting they defended Jews, and they never were traitors, like Romania.
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Re: Holocaust memorial unveiled in Romania
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2009, 01:47:35 PM »
What about the hundreds of thousands of Jews murdered in King Carol's own Shoah prior to WWII?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Carol_I_of_Romania

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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2009, 01:50:37 PM »
Maybe you are right PZ. You know them better. Still I think that was a positive move even it was for nice words, beacuse by doing that they'll surely get much less nice words about the crimes they have done.
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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2009, 01:52:33 PM »
Maybe you are right PZ. You know them better. Still I think that was a positive move even it was for nice words, beacuse by doing that they'll surely get much less nice words about the crimes they have done.

Yes. It was positive, just don't trust them. Ahmadinejad also says that his atom program is peaceful, but we know that he'll use it against Israel. It is just politic, Romania is a very poor country right now. They are beggers.
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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2009, 01:53:45 PM »


They still have many fascists. Look, I'm just telling that don't trust them. They never were famous about their honor. Just look the Serbs. Interesting they defended Jews, and they never were traitors, like Romania.

Yes, absolutely no comparison between them and Serbs. Serbs have never been traitors, on the contrary, they were betrayed.
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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2009, 01:55:01 PM »


They still have many fascists. Look, I'm just telling that don't trust them. They never were famous about their honor. Just look the Serbs. Interesting they defended Jews, and they never were traitors, like Romania.

Yes, absolutely no comparison between them and Serbs. Serbs have never been traitors, on the contrary, they were betrayed.

I have Transylvanian Jewish line too, and my grandfather said that Romanians were really happy when Germans and Hungarians deported the Jews from Transylvania.
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« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2009, 02:02:04 PM »


They still have many fascists. Look, I'm just telling that don't trust them. They never were famous about their honor. Just look the Serbs. Interesting they defended Jews, and they never were traitors, like Romania.

Yes, absolutely no comparison between them and Serbs. Serbs have never been traitors, on the contrary, they were betrayed.

I have Transylvanian Jewish line too, and my grandfather said that Romanians were really happy when Germans and Hungarians deported the Jews from Transylvania.

Dirty pigs. But they were not the only such nation in WW2.  There were even worse ones.
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« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2009, 02:06:52 PM »


They still have many fascists. Look, I'm just telling that don't trust them. They never were famous about their honor. Just look the Serbs. Interesting they defended Jews, and they never were traitors, like Romania.

Yes, absolutely no comparison between them and Serbs. Serbs have never been traitors, on the contrary, they were betrayed.

I have Transylvanian Jewish line too, and my grandfather said that Romanians were really happy when Germans and Hungarians deported the Jews from Transylvania.

Dirty pigs. But they were not the only such nation in WW2.  There were even worse ones.
Today there are many Romanians work in Israel, sometimes I see them in my neighborhood.

They clean hotels, I guess.
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« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2009, 02:09:16 PM »
In my neighborhood they care for the elderly. They look like Russians from province.
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« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2009, 02:34:51 PM »
Wrong King Carol. Might have been the II.

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« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2009, 02:42:10 PM »
Quote from: Norman Davies
In Romania, where the army and police killed hundreds of thousands of Jews on their own account, the government none the less jibbed at handing over Romanian Jews to the Nazis.

(Norman Davies, Europe: A History, Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1996. Page 1021)

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« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2009, 02:46:25 PM »
As I said they were never famous about their honor.


Good video.
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« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2009, 03:12:56 PM »
I must admit that I have only respect for Romanians... In my workplace I work with several, and my ultimate boss is a very nice Romanian gentleman. We have discussed many issues together and it seems to me that Romanians can be respectful of Jews and Judaism. He allows me to wear my kippah and tzittzits and doesn't complain about my beard... I must be grateful.

My experience is that most Romanians are good people..

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« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2009, 03:15:07 PM »
I must admit that I have only respect for Romanians... In my workplace I work with several, and my ultimate boss is a very nice Romanian gentleman. We have discussed many issues together and it seems to me that Romanians can be respectful of Jews and Judaism. He allows me to wear my kippah and tzittzits and doesn't complain about my beard... I must be grateful.

My experience is that most Romanians are good people..



In good times, and in your eyes maybe. The HISTORICAL FACTS SHOW OTHER. And I didn't say that all of them are garbage. BTW isn't your boss a Hungarian? The history shows their moral, I only wrote facts.
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« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2009, 05:04:49 PM »
I must admit that I have only respect for Romanians... In my workplace I work with several, and my ultimate boss is a very nice Romanian gentleman. We have discussed many issues together and it seems to me that Romanians can be respectful of Jews and Judaism. He allows me to wear my kippah and tzittzits and doesn't complain about my beard... I must be grateful.

My experience is that most Romanians are good people..



In good times, and in your eyes maybe. The HISTORICAL FACTS SHOW OTHER. And I didn't say that all of them are garbage. BTW isn't your boss a Hungarian? The history shows their moral, I only wrote facts.

My highest level  boss is Romanian, under him is my direct boss who is hungarian... Both are very kind to me and as a result I have a good impression of Romanians and Hungarians even though both have history which is not good for Jews. I don't know what it is like in those countries, just that they like to work in America.

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« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2009, 07:58:18 PM »
I must admit that I have only respect for Romanians... In my workplace I work with several, and my ultimate boss is a very nice Romanian gentleman. We have discussed many issues together and it seems to me that Romanians can be respectful of Jews and Judaism. He allows me to wear my kippah and tzittzits and doesn't complain about my beard... I must be grateful.

My experience is that most Romanians are good people..



In good times, and in your eyes maybe. The HISTORICAL FACTS SHOW OTHER. And I didn't say that all of them are garbage. BTW isn't your boss a Hungarian? The history shows their moral, I only wrote facts.

My highest level  boss is Romanian, under him is my direct boss who is hungarian... Both are very kind to me and as a result I have a good impression of Romanians and Hungarians even though both have history which is not good for Jews. I don't know what it is like in those countries, just that they like to work in America.



Well the Hungarians of USA are wonderful people, 99% of them were antifascists and anti-communist too who immigrated there. And many of them have Jewish ancestry, they are different from an average Hungarian.
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