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Do you approve of genocide against Muslims?

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Re: Do you approve of genocide against Muslims?
« Reply #100 on: November 03, 2009, 05:59:25 AM »
How can we continue to conduct a debate when you claim that I play down [minimalise] Muslim crimes in Yugoslavia.

Here what I said:

You then try to play down the responsibilty of Muslims for crimes committed in Yugoslavia.


Take notice, I didn't say you played down the gravity or quantity of their crimes. I said "responsibility" because you are constantly saying that US and Europe incited them and they were brainwashed by their propaganda and because of that fought the Serbs. You put almost all the responsibility on the West, while you present Balkan Muslims almost as robots who don't have their own feelings, interest and mindlessly follow the orders of their Western masters. This is your position and you presented it in other topics too. This is what I call "play down the responsibility"

But you seem to have nothing say against the fact that Muslims want to take over Europe :)
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Re: Do you approve of genocide against Muslims?
« Reply #101 on: November 03, 2009, 06:04:15 AM »
I am sure much of the Muslim fighting was instigated by Muslim organizations from the Middle East in order to weaken Europe and create new Muslim countries here. Until now they succeeded quite well: We have Bosnia and Kosovo. Which one will be next? Bulgaria, where the Turkish minority will have it's "right" to create their own country inside Bulgarian borders? Muslims in France who will want a part of the country "cut off" for them only?
The "Khalif of Cologne" (Metin Kaplan) has already claimed in those days the "Islamic Republic of Western Turkey" on German soil. So I wouldn't be suprised if we got more of such stuff in future with a growing Muslim community.

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Re: Do you approve of genocide against Muslims?
« Reply #102 on: November 03, 2009, 07:10:35 AM »
We would crush those mujaheddin scum in a week if USA and Europe didn't help them
So, are you telling me that my nation SUCKS now? Well, I already know, ty.
Your nation? Aren't you Jewish?
I'm telling you the truth. American and European leaders are far worse than any muslim, and America will soon be the worst enemy of your people.

If I remember what the Schröder gouvernment did and the great coalition after I am not so shure, that voo-yo is wrong.

The German socialists and the green party did everything to assist the Muslims. They supported even real islamofacists like the grey wolfs and sponsered anti-semitic conferences were was called for the destruction of Israel.

But on the other hand Paulette is right too. The Muslimes own great parts of the German engine construction industries. Most car companies belong already to the Muzz. They have great influence, specially the Muzzies from the Arabian peninsula, who are the most fanatic ones.
Which companies belong to them? Not a single one! They hold some shares as we hold shares of THEIR companies. So what? But to be the owner of a firm you have to have at least 51% of the shares and still some allies who are at your side. And they do not own a single industry from Germany. Many put a lot of money into them as they are reliable firms with only moderate but stable groth rates.
And not ALL greens and leftist are anti-Semitic or anti-Israel. Remember the green politicians who defended Israel during the Gaza attacks. You should generalize and exaggerate in many things.
People and politicians who actually supported the war against Serbia were very well manipulated by some media showing cruel scenes of genocide, alledgedly carried out by Serba. Afterwards many of those scenes were actually Muslims killing Serbians, as came out later. And you know how people are sensitive about genocide etc. here in Germany. They still feel guilty for WWII and want to have and support justice - even being injust or basing their knowledge on stupid propaganda...

Hyades, it is not, that one Muslim country owns company x or y. The Muslim oil exporting countries have gouvernmental investment funds, that investing a part of the oil money. Funds like this are Abu Dhabi Investment Authority, Kuwait Investment Authority, Qatar Investment Authority, etc. In addition to that there are the private Investors like Al-Waleed bin Talal and the mainly arabian banks.
So you would be astonished how great their influence is already.

Here you can read about the fact, that Muslim investors are strong enough to pressure major companies to invest in their Muslim countries even in sectors were high potentials are needed. Of cause this investment makes no sense because of the nature of the Muzz

http://www.handelsblatt.com/unternehmen/industrie/araber-verlangen-mehr-deutsches-engagement;2271929

Concerning the Serbia issue, I have read the book of Jürgen Elsässer "Kriegslügen".

It was definitively not the fact, that the media pressured the German leftists, but Madleine Albright, Joschka Fischer and Rudolf Scharping planned it and gave the falsified reports to the press. They lied intentionally and tried everything to silence critical voices i.e. in the OECD. Then Fischer said, that the creed of his party was never again war, but never again Auschwitz too. So he has to attack the Serbs (new Nazis). I was soldier at this time and this was it for me. I will never again trust a member of the green party as well as one of the socialist SPD.
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Re: Do you approve of genocide against Muslims?
« Reply #103 on: November 03, 2009, 07:32:40 AM »
But this is not so bad at all. Let them put their money into our country. It assures work and stability for manour y people. I am not against Arab money being invested here. But however MEDIA should be banned from Muslim investments. Cars, engines and banks may run with Arab money. I am okay with it. We have to think about our own advantages first. If there is a problem coming up with the Muslim world, they can still be disowned and the shares go to our government. :D I am sure our frims have several chapters in the treaties which doesn't make it easy for the Arabs to abuse their power.
Germany isn't significant for Israel anyway! Even if it turned into a completely Muslim country, it would not affect Israel directly. It is more complicated if big powers like Britain or France came under Muslim power. This would mean an enormous threat for Israel...

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Re: Do you approve of genocide against Muslims?
« Reply #104 on: November 03, 2009, 09:39:34 AM »
Take notice, I didn't say you played down the gravity or quantity of their crimes. I said "responsibility" because you are constantly saying that US and Europe incited them and they were brainwashed by their propaganda and because of that fought the Serbs. You put almost all the responsibility on the West, while you present Balkan Muslims almost as robots who don't have their own feelings, interest and mindlessly follow the orders of their Western masters. This is your position and you presented it in other topics too. This is what I call "play down the responsibility"

The Muslims and Croats carried out crimes against Serbs with US and Western political support, recognition, protection and weaponry. You are again saying that I play down responsibility of Bosnian Muslims. This sentence says enough.
You want me to deny the fact that US organized and gave instructions to Bosnian Muslims to advocate separatism within Yugoslavia... It will not work.
Why must I deny facts and why is it bad to expose US involvement during the wars in Yugoslavia? If you do not wish to hear facts, than it is for me not possible to participate in this kind of debate.

Its clear that you do not want to recognize the real context of the conflict and you are continuing to blame everything on the Muslims. Your statements are based on prejudices and emotions and not on facts.

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Re: Do you approve of genocide against Muslims?
« Reply #105 on: November 03, 2009, 11:20:15 AM »
Take notice, I didn't say you played down the gravity or quantity of their crimes. I said "responsibility" because you are constantly saying that US and Europe incited them and they were brainwashed by their propaganda and because of that fought the Serbs. You put almost all the responsibility on the West, while you present Balkan Muslims almost as robots who don't have their own feelings, interest and mindlessly follow the orders of their Western masters. This is your position and you presented it in other topics too. This is what I call "play down the responsibility"

The Muslims and Croats carried out crimes against Serbs with US and Western political support, recognition, protection and weaponry. You are again saying that I play down responsibility of Bosnian Muslims. This sentence says enough.
You want me to deny the fact that US organized and gave instructions to Bosnian Muslims to advocate separatism within Yugoslavia... It will not work.
Why must I deny facts and why is it bad to expose US involvement during the wars in Yugoslavia? If you do not wish to hear facts, than it is for me not possible to participate in this kind of debate.

Its clear that you do not want to recognize the real context of the conflict and you are continuing to blame everything on the Muslims. Your statements are based on prejudices and emotions and not on facts.

SRP,

The conflict in the Balkans is not the fault of the United States... The wars in the Balkans, the divisions, and the hatred go back for hundreds of years, long before Clinton was even born. You are looking to make America a scape-goat for your anger... The problem in the region is a result of divisions caused by the Bosnian muslims. I agree that Clinton was wrong and we may have assisted the wrong side. But do not blame America for the long running conflict in that region.
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Re: Do you approve of genocide against Muslims?
« Reply #106 on: November 03, 2009, 12:10:32 PM »
Take notice, I didn't say you played down the gravity or quantity of their crimes. I said "responsibility" because you are constantly saying that US and Europe incited them and they were brainwashed by their propaganda and because of that fought the Serbs. You put almost all the responsibility on the West, while you present Balkan Muslims almost as robots who don't have their own feelings, interest and mindlessly follow the orders of their Western masters. This is your position and you presented it in other topics too. This is what I call "play down the responsibility"

The Muslims and Croats carried out crimes against Serbs with US and Western political support, recognition, protection and weaponry. You are again saying that I play down responsibility of Bosnian Muslims. This sentence says enough.
You want me to deny the fact that US organized and gave instructions to Bosnian Muslims to advocate separatism within Yugoslavia... It will not work.
Why must I deny facts and why is it bad to expose US involvement during the wars in Yugoslavia? If you do not wish to hear facts, than it is for me not possible to participate in this kind of debate.

Its clear that you do not want to recognize the real context of the conflict and you are continuing to blame everything on the Muslims. Your statements are based on prejudices and emotions and not on facts.

SRP,

The conflict in the Balkans is not the fault of the United States... The wars in the Balkans, the divisions, and the hatred go back for hundreds of years, long before Clinton was even born. You are looking to make America a scape-goat for your anger... The problem in the region is a result of divisions caused by the Bosnian muslims. I agree that Clinton was wrong and we may have assisted the wrong side. But do not blame America for the long running conflict in that region.


Exactly! This is a conflict that was just waiting to break through. It started with the islamisation of Bosnians and other "tribes" by the Turks. A long dictatorship-like Yougoslavia kept a certain stability in the region. But when Slovenia and Croatia broke apart, this was the time for the Muslims to try the same and in a less peaceful way than Slovenia and Croatia did! The Muslims wanted to wipe the Serbs out of Bosnia, committed atrocities and blamed Serbia for everything. It was as always that the Western countries decided to give their 2 cents and worsened the whole situation with their interventions in the conflict.
I would have been a much shorter conflict, if the Serbs could have done what they wanted.
But I remember very well, that countries like Turkey, Saudi Arabia and others wanted to send their troops against Serbia since they blamed Europe and US for "assisting the genocide because there were no intersts in oil there in Yugoslavia".
And I think another reason behind a US-European NATO attack was to keep Muslim states out of the conflict. This would have been another threat on the continent.
Here USA and Europe are to blame. They should have stopped threats from Turkey and other Muslim countries and defend this as an "interior conflict" of Yugoslavia.
Bbut we all know that Turkey even attacks it's own allies as they did with Greece.

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Re: Do you approve of genocide against Muslims?
« Reply #107 on: November 03, 2009, 12:54:29 PM »
Take notice, I didn't say you played down the gravity or quantity of their crimes. I said "responsibility" because you are constantly saying that US and Europe incited them and they were brainwashed by their propaganda and because of that fought the Serbs. You put almost all the responsibility on the West, while you present Balkan Muslims almost as robots who don't have their own feelings, interest and mindlessly follow the orders of their Western masters. This is your position and you presented it in other topics too. This is what I call "play down the responsibility"

The Muslims and Croats carried out crimes against Serbs with US and Western political support, recognition, protection and weaponry. You are again saying that I play down responsibility of Bosnian Muslims. This sentence says enough.
You want me to deny the fact that US organized and gave instructions to Bosnian Muslims to advocate separatism within Yugoslavia... It will not work.
Why must I deny facts and why is it bad to expose US involvement during the wars in Yugoslavia? If you do not wish to hear facts, than it is for me not possible to participate in this kind of debate.

Its clear that you do not want to recognize the real context of the conflict and you are continuing to blame everything on the Muslims. Your statements are based on prejudices and emotions and not on facts.

SRP,

The conflict in the Balkans is not the fault of the United States... The wars in the Balkans, the divisions, and the hatred go back for hundreds of years, long before Clinton was even born. You are looking to make America a scape-goat for your anger... The problem in the region is a result of divisions caused by the Bosnian muslims. I agree that Clinton was wrong and we may have assisted the wrong side. But do not blame America for the long running conflict in that region.

Actually, much of it is American fault. Yes, the muslims hate us and they are a fifth column and therefore they must disappear from the Balkans, one way or the other. But, they are also cowards, and would never dare attacking us without a powerful backing from US and Europe.
This is what happened before the start of the war
On March 18, 1992, Alija Izetbegovic (Bosnian-Muslim leader), Mate Boban (Bosnian-Croat leader), and Radovan Karadzic (Bosnian-Serb Leader) all reached an agreement on the peaceful succession of Bosnia & Herzegovina from Yugoslavia.

The Agreement was known as the Lisbon Agreement (it is also known as the Cutileiro Plan). The agreement called for an independent Bosnia divided into three constituent and geographically separate parts, each of which would be autonomous. Izetbegovic, Boban, and Karadzic all agreed to the plan, and signed the agreement.

The agreement was all set, internal and external borders, and the administrative functions of the central and autonomous governments had all been agreed upon. The threat of civil war had been removed from Bosnia that is until, the U.S. Ambassador Warren Zimmerman showed up.

On March 28, 1992, ten days after the agreement was reached that would have avoided war in Bosnia, Warren Zimmerman showed up in Sarajevo and met with the Bosnian-Muslim leader, Alija Izetbegovic. Upon finding that Izetbegovic was having second thoughts about the agreement he had signed in Lisbon, the Ambassador suggested that if he withdrew his signature, the United States would grant recognition to Bosnia as an independent state. Izetbegovic then withdrew his signature and renounced the agreement.


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Re: Do you approve of genocide against Muslims?
« Reply #108 on: November 04, 2009, 11:20:55 AM »
voo-yo

My compliments!
I am just going to add the fact that the US and other NATO-nations armed Bosnian Muslims, Croats and Albanians and encouraged them to attack Serbs.
Serbs possessed domestic weapons, while Muslims and Croats had mosly foreign [Western] weaponry.
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Re: Do you approve of genocide against Muslims?
« Reply #109 on: November 04, 2009, 01:12:58 PM »
Muslamics clear cut want their global hegemony only or separatism.

It is the choice left to America, USSR, Nato, Red Dragon and Eurocommunists whether, when and where they support or oppose the muslamics.
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Re: Do you approve of genocide against Muslims?
« Reply #110 on: November 04, 2009, 01:27:29 PM »
Just to get back to the original issue.   The GENOCIDE that is happening is against Christians all over this earth, not the poor 'peace-filled' Moslems. 
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Re: Do you approve of genocide against Muslims?
« Reply #111 on: November 04, 2009, 04:27:24 PM »
Just to get back to the original issue.   The GENOCIDE that is happening is against Christians all over this earth, not the poor 'peace-filled' Moslems. 

This is truly a fact. But anyway quranimals manage to always put it as if they were the massacred and genocided by Christians and Jews. There is so many Muslimaniac propaganda flooding the media, that it has become unbearable! Even many Christians and Jews do already believe they are on the wrong side!!!

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Re: Do you approve of genocide against Muslims?
« Reply #112 on: November 04, 2009, 05:29:12 PM »
Those who are murderers and their crimes can be proven should be terminated, but I cannot say we should go out and kill all muslims or innocent muslims.   The fact that we have sense and reason sets us apart from some of these animals!  Who can abide by taking innocent lives, unless the only choice is:  (Your family or them)

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Re: Do you approve of genocide against Muslims?
« Reply #113 on: November 05, 2009, 02:39:57 AM »
The topic should be:

"Do you agree with genocide against muslim terrorists"

I say: YES.

Let's keep thinking straight.

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Re: Do you approve of genocide against Muslims?
« Reply #114 on: November 05, 2009, 02:53:08 AM »
Genocide against terrorists! Enjoy!



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Re: Do you approve of genocide against Muslims?
« Reply #115 on: November 05, 2009, 06:06:55 PM »
NOW WHAT DO YOU SAY G?? HUH? Moslem TERRORIST ATTACK on our military, and YOU are Accusing US of wanting GENOCIDE? WE ARE THE ONES THAT WILL BE IN THE GENOCIDE YOU MOONBAT!
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Re: Do you approve of genocide against Muslims?
« Reply #116 on: November 09, 2009, 05:09:37 PM »
It's self defense, NOT genocide.

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Re: Do you approve of genocide against Muslims?
« Reply #117 on: November 09, 2009, 08:11:29 PM »
The Hasan 'mental' poor peace filled Muslim was not thinking of GENOCIDE when HE did this?  The person that posted this original post is a MORON.
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